[Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.

amdbcg amdbcg at gmail.com
Mon Sep 3 23:53:51 CEST 2012 

@Luca : I agree with Jim,  the 2.6 user's manual /wiki looks amazing! 
You provided an excellent framework that we can work on.
Thank you for your hard work :D
-amdbcg
On 9/3/2012 4:40 PM, Jim Tucker wrote:
> Luca, I would echo Willi Pierce in saying that you have been a 
> tremendous help to the wiki
> update process (and also to me personally as a new member of the wiki 
> update team).
> You must balance what future effort you can give according to your 
> personal circumstances, but I
> think that your past work has been extremely valuable to the Blender 
> community. I'm sure
> that whatever effort you can give in the future will be equally valuable,
>
> - Jim
>
>
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> > 1. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (Jared Reisweber)
> > 2. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (mindrones)
> > 3. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (Willie Pierce)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:34:07 -0700
> > From: Jared Reisweber <jaredr122 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
> > To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard at blender.org>
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> > <CAJgraRSRPhHHEdQiGuDVSzGtkGGjpY3UXcopvd1gbnUCDZz6uA at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> > I kind of agree with Fade. I would be interested in continuing to 
> help add
> > wiki pages again. I had made a bunch of wiki structure changes a while
> > back, that should have been reviewed prior, but things like adding 
> content
> > to pages, or moving content to appropriate pages could be well ahead of
> > where it is now if the review process was eased up a bit. It's 
> troubling to
> > learn that, after such a big deal was made over a new reviewing process,
> > not much progress has been made. I have a hard time believing the manual
> > would get that out of hand by opening up page editing, as long as 
> there is
> > consistency in formatting guidelines that are followed. Are there really
> > that many people actively working on the manual?
> >
> > On the topic of manual structure, there are several areas of 
> redundancy and
> > inconsistency in the manual index I think could be improved on. For 
> example
> > these 7 pages:
> >
> > - Graph Editor
> > - F-Curves
> > - -F-Curves Types
> > - -F-Curves Graph Editor Interface
> > - -Editing
> > - --F-Curves
> > - --Keyframes
> >
> > could be easily fit into about 3 pages:
> >
> > - Graph editor
> > - F-curves
> > - Editing f-curves
> >
> > There is inconsistency in the grouping of Blender functions into manual
> > pages. I would argue that some pages might be too specific. Like, do we
> > really need 6 pages on selecting mesh components? And only 1 page on
> > animating Armatures? Resolving things like these would reduce the empty
> > page count(~137), and make it less confusing, and easier to add 
> content in
> > the appropriate places, in my opinion. (e.g. the mesh editing and 
> animation
> > pages)
> >
> > Anyways, that's my thoughts.
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fade 
> <fade_docboard_blender at ymail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know about Ton, but Brecht usually documents whatever he's
> > > working on as he codes it so I'd imagine he's aware of the general 
> lack of
> > > activity.
> > >
> > > -Fade
> > >
> > >
> > > On 09/01/12 16:05, Robert wrote:
> > >
> > > Has Ton, Brecht, or one of the main developers seen this problem yet?
> > > -Robert
> > > On 9/1/2012 10:19 AM, fade_docboard_blender at ymail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I know what you mean, I've got nearly 20 pages linked in the task 
> list (
> > > 
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual) and
> > > again on my user page that haven't been reviewed. Some of these 
> have been
> > > sitting there since the start of February. Waiting 7 months for a 
> review
> > > has all but killed my interest in contributing. I'm also going to 
> be *that
> > > guy* and say that I called it (
> > > 
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2012-February/003861.html).
> > >
> > > I know that there was a lot of effort put into setting up this review
> > > process but it hasn't worked and doesn't look like it's going to. 
> There
> > > simply aren't enough people with enough time to make this system work
> > > properly.
> > >
> > > Keeping the task list is useful, but I'm inclined to think that 
> it's time
> > > to ditch the whole review thing. At this point, it's just holding up
> > > improvements to the manual. I know that it was put in place for 
> quality
> > > control, but it's had the opposite effect since none of the 
> contributions
> > > are making it into the manual and we're still left with the 
> incorrect and
> > > outdated pages.
> > >
> > > The review system is just placing obstacles in front of current and
> > > potential contributors and I'd rather run the risk of some lower 
> quality
> > > pages so that it's easier for people to contribute.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Fade
> > >
> > > On 08/28/12 01:20, Sascha wrote:
> > >
> > > I had posted updates for the strands, build modifier, particle 
> mode, and
> > > bake pages over 4 months ago, but they still haven't been reviewed
> > > I've really lost all momentum on wiki editing after this much time 
> waiting
> > > for a proof-read
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Materials/Properties/Strands
> > >
> > > 
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Physics/Particles/Mode
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:20:05 +0200
> > From: mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
> > To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard at blender.org>
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to
> > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.
> >
> > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out
> > in a year took months to be fixed.
> > After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take
> > responsibility instead.
> >
> > We have decided to start this table
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles
> > to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.
> > That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the
> > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,
> > just show up there.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and
> > read these mail more often.
> > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,
> > sorry for that.
> >
> > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a
> > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the
> > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for
> > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),
> > but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Luca
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:49:26 -0500
> > From: Willie Pierce <knightwalkr at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
> > To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard at blender.org>
> > Message-ID: <9ED43B3F-7C8A-4F33-AEFB-D9F297B03879 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > Luca
> > Your not a burden that thing that happens when we don't expect it is 
> life. No matter what remember the effort you have put in is appriciated.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:20 AM, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to
> > > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.
> > >
> > > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out
> > > in a year took months to be fixed.
> > > After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take
> > > responsibility instead.
> > >
> > > We have decided to start this table
> > > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles
> > > to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.
> > > That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the
> > > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,
> > > just show up there.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and
> > > read these mail more often.
> > > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,
> > > sorry for that.
> > >
> > > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a
> > > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the
> > > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for
> > > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),
> > > but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Luca
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