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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">@Luca : I agree with Jim, the 2.6
user's manual /wiki looks amazing! You provided an excellent
framework that we can work on.<br>
Thank you for your hard work :D <br>
-amdbcg<br>
On 9/3/2012 4:40 PM, Jim Tucker wrote:<br>
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Luca, I would echo Willi Pierce in saying that you have been a
tremendous help to the wiki <br>
update process (and also to me personally as a new member of the
wiki update team).<br>
You must balance what future effort you can give according to
your personal circumstances, but I<br>
think that your past work has been extremely valuable to the
Blender community. I'm sure<br>
that whatever effort you can give in the future will be equally
valuable,<br>
<br>
- Jim<br>
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> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:34:07 -0700<br>
> From: Jared Reisweber <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jaredr122@gmail.com"><jaredr122@gmail.com></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki
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> I kind of agree with Fade. I would be interested in
continuing to help add<br>
> wiki pages again. I had made a bunch of wiki structure
changes a while<br>
> back, that should have been reviewed prior, but things
like adding content<br>
> to pages, or moving content to appropriate pages could be
well ahead of<br>
> where it is now if the review process was eased up a bit.
It's troubling to<br>
> learn that, after such a big deal was made over a new
reviewing process,<br>
> not much progress has been made. I have a hard time
believing the manual<br>
> would get that out of hand by opening up page editing, as
long as there is<br>
> consistency in formatting guidelines that are followed.
Are there really<br>
> that many people actively working on the manual?<br>
> <br>
> On the topic of manual structure, there are several areas
of redundancy and<br>
> inconsistency in the manual index I think could be
improved on. For example<br>
> these 7 pages:<br>
> <br>
> - Graph Editor<br>
> - F-Curves<br>
> - -F-Curves Types<br>
> - -F-Curves Graph Editor Interface<br>
> - -Editing<br>
> - --F-Curves<br>
> - --Keyframes<br>
> <br>
> could be easily fit into about 3 pages:<br>
> <br>
> - Graph editor<br>
> - F-curves<br>
> - Editing f-curves<br>
> <br>
> There is inconsistency in the grouping of Blender
functions into manual<br>
> pages. I would argue that some pages might be too
specific. Like, do we<br>
> really need 6 pages on selecting mesh components? And
only 1 page on<br>
> animating Armatures? Resolving things like these would
reduce the empty<br>
> page count(~137), and make it less confusing, and easier
to add content in<br>
> the appropriate places, in my opinion. (e.g. the mesh
editing and animation<br>
> pages)<br>
> <br>
> Anyways, that's my thoughts.<br>
> <br>
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fade
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com"><fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com></a>wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > I don't know about Ton, but Brecht usually documents
whatever he's<br>
> > working on as he codes it so I'd imagine he's aware
of the general lack of<br>
> > activity.<br>
> ><br>
> > -Fade<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 09/01/12 16:05, Robert wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Has Ton, Brecht, or one of the main developers seen
this problem yet?<br>
> > -Robert<br>
> > On 9/1/2012 10:19 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com">fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com</a> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I know what you mean, I've got nearly 20 pages
linked in the task list (<br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual</a>)
and<br>
> > again on my user page that haven't been reviewed.
Some of these have been<br>
> > sitting there since the start of February. Waiting 7
months for a review<br>
> > has all but killed my interest in contributing. I'm
also going to be *that<br>
> > guy* and say that I called it (<br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2012-February/003861.html">http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2012-February/003861.html</a>).<br>
> ><br>
> > I know that there was a lot of effort put into
setting up this review<br>
> > process but it hasn't worked and doesn't look like
it's going to. There<br>
> > simply aren't enough people with enough time to make
this system work<br>
> > properly.<br>
> ><br>
> > Keeping the task list is useful, but I'm inclined to
think that it's time<br>
> > to ditch the whole review thing. At this point, it's
just holding up<br>
> > improvements to the manual. I know that it was put
in place for quality<br>
> > control, but it's had the opposite effect since none
of the contributions<br>
> > are making it into the manual and we're still left
with the incorrect and<br>
> > outdated pages.<br>
> ><br>
> > The review system is just placing obstacles in front
of current and<br>
> > potential contributors and I'd rather run the risk
of some lower quality<br>
> > pages so that it's easier for people to contribute.<br>
> ><br>
> > Cheers<br>
> > Fade<br>
> ><br>
> > On 08/28/12 01:20, Sascha wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I had posted updates for the strands, build
modifier, particle mode, and<br>
> > bake pages over 4 months ago, but they still haven't
been reviewed<br>
> > I've really lost all momentum on wiki editing after
this much time waiting<br>
> > for a proof-read<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Materials/Properties/Strands">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Materials/Properties/Strands</a><br>
> ><br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Physics/Particles/Mode">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Physics/Particles/Mode</a><br>
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> Hi all,<br>
> <br>
> at least until the end of September, I will really have
no time to<br>
> follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.<br>
> <br>
> Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess
that came out<br>
> in a year took months to be fixed.<br>
> After long discussions we have preferred to push people
to take<br>
> responsibility instead.<br>
> <br>
> We have decided to start this table<br>
> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles</a><br>
> to invite people to take responsibility for some
particular chapter.<br>
> That table is still kind of empty though... If you are
active on the<br>
> wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area
of the manual,<br>
> just show up there.<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> <br>
> Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be
more active and<br>
> read these mail more often.<br>
> Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a
big hassle,<br>
> sorry for that.<br>
> <br>
> Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a
burden than a<br>
> help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and
will let the<br>
> witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good
substitute for<br>
> example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a
long time :),<br>
> but that should be discussed by other admins and active
writers.<br>
> <br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Luca<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:49:26 -0500<br>
> From: Willie Pierce <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:knightwalkr@gmail.com"><knightwalkr@gmail.com></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki
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> Luca<br>
> Your not a burden that thing that happens when we don't
expect it is life. No matter what remember the effort you have
put in is appriciated.<br>
> <br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> <br>
> On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:20 AM, mindrones
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mindrones@gmail.com"><mindrones@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> > <br>
> > at least until the end of September, I will really
have no time to<br>
> > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.<br>
> > <br>
> > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the
mess that came out<br>
> > in a year took months to be fixed.<br>
> > After long discussions we have preferred to push
people to take<br>
> > responsibility instead.<br>
> > <br>
> > We have decided to start this table<br>
> >
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles</a><br>
> > to invite people to take responsibility for some
particular chapter.<br>
> > That table is still kind of empty though... If you
are active on the<br>
> > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain
area of the manual,<br>
> > just show up there.<br>
> > <br>
> > --<br>
> > <br>
> > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to
be more active and<br>
> > read these mail more often.<br>
> > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is
quite a big hassle,<br>
> > sorry for that.<br>
> > <br>
> > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a
burden than a<br>
> > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator
and will let the<br>
> > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a
good substitute for<br>
> > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active
since a long time :),<br>
> > but that should be discussed by other admins and
active writers.<br>
> > <br>
> > Kind regards,<br>
> > Luca<br>
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