[Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.

Jim Tucker jim.tucker at live.co.uk
Mon Sep 3 23:40:04 CEST 2012 

Luca, I would echo Willi Pierce in saying that you have been a tremendous help to the wiki 
update process (and also to me personally as a new member of the wiki update team).
You must balance what future effort you can give according to your personal circumstances, but I
think that your past work has been extremely valuable to the Blender community. I'm sure
that whatever effort you can give in the future will be equally valuable,
 
- Jim

 
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>    1. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (Jared Reisweber)
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> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:34:07 -0700
> From: Jared Reisweber <jaredr122 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
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> I kind of agree with Fade. I would be interested in continuing to help add
> wiki pages again. I had made a bunch of wiki structure changes a while
> back, that should have been reviewed prior, but things like adding content
> to pages, or moving content to appropriate pages could be well ahead of
> where it is now if the review process was eased up a bit. It's troubling to
> learn that, after such a big deal was made over a new reviewing process,
> not much progress has been made. I have a hard time believing the manual
> would get that out of hand by opening up page editing, as long as there is
> consistency in formatting guidelines that are followed. Are there really
> that many people actively working on the manual?
> 
> On the topic of manual structure, there are several areas of redundancy and
> inconsistency in the manual index I think could be improved on. For example
> these 7 pages:
> 
>    - Graph Editor
>    - F-Curves
>    - -F-Curves Types
>    - -F-Curves Graph Editor Interface
>    - -Editing
>    - --F-Curves
>    - --Keyframes
> 
> could be easily fit into about 3 pages:
> 
>    - Graph editor
>    - F-curves
>    - Editing f-curves
> 
> There is inconsistency in the grouping of Blender functions into manual
> pages. I would argue that some pages might be too specific. Like, do we
> really need 6 pages on selecting mesh components? And only 1 page on
> animating Armatures? Resolving things like these would reduce the empty
> page count(~137), and make it less confusing, and easier to add content in
> the appropriate places, in my opinion. (e.g. the mesh editing and animation
> pages)
> 
> Anyways, that's my thoughts.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fade <fade_docboard_blender at ymail.com>wrote:
> 
> >  I don't know about Ton, but Brecht usually documents whatever he's
> > working on as he codes it so I'd imagine he's aware of the general lack of
> > activity.
> >
> > -Fade
> >
> >
> > On 09/01/12 16:05, Robert wrote:
> >
> > Has Ton, Brecht, or one of the main developers seen this problem yet?
> > -Robert
> > On 9/1/2012 10:19 AM, fade_docboard_blender at ymail.com wrote:
> >
> > I know what you mean, I've got nearly 20 pages linked in the task list (
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual) and
> > again on my user page that haven't been reviewed. Some of these have been
> > sitting there since the start of February. Waiting 7 months for a review
> > has all but killed my interest in contributing. I'm also going to be *that
> > guy* and say that I called it (
> > http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2012-February/003861.html).
> >
> > I know that there was a lot of effort put into setting up this review
> > process but it hasn't worked and doesn't look like it's going to. There
> > simply aren't enough people with enough time to make this system work
> > properly.
> >
> > Keeping the task list is useful, but I'm inclined to think that it's time
> > to ditch the whole review thing. At this point, it's just holding up
> > improvements to the manual. I know that it was put in place for quality
> > control, but it's had the opposite effect since none of the contributions
> > are making it into the manual and we're still left with the incorrect and
> > outdated pages.
> >
> > The review system is just placing obstacles in front of current and
> > potential contributors and I'd rather run the risk of some lower quality
> > pages so that it's easier for people to contribute.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Fade
> >
> > On 08/28/12 01:20, Sascha wrote:
> >
> > I had posted updates for the strands, build modifier, particle mode, and
> > bake pages over 4 months ago, but they still haven't been reviewed
> > I've really lost all momentum on wiki editing after this much time waiting
> > for a proof-read
> >
> >
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Materials/Properties/Strands
> >
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Physics/Particles/Mode
> >
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> From: mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
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> Hi all,
> 
> at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to
> follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.
> 
> Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out
> in a year took months to be fixed.
> After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take
> responsibility instead.
> 
> We have decided to start this table
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles
> to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.
> That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the
> wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,
> just show up there.
> 
> --
> 
> Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and
> read these mail more often.
> Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,
> sorry for that.
> 
> Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a
> help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the
> witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for
> example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),
> but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Luca
> 
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> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:49:26 -0500
> From: Willie Pierce <knightwalkr at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
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> Luca
> Your not a burden that thing that happens when we don't expect it is life. No matter what remember the effort you have put in is appriciated.
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> On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:20 AM, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to
> > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.
> > 
> > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out
> > in a year took months to be fixed.
> > After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take
> > responsibility instead.
> > 
> > We have decided to start this table
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles
> > to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.
> > That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the
> > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,
> > just show up there.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and
> > read these mail more often.
> > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,
> > sorry for that.
> > 
> > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a
> > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the
> > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for
> > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),
> > but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Luca
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