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Luca, I would echo Willi Pierce in saying that you have been a tremendous help to the wiki <BR>update process (and also to me personally as a new member of the wiki update team).<BR>You must balance what future effort you can give according to your personal circumstances, but I<BR>think that your past work has been extremely valuable to the Blender community. I'm sure<BR>that whatever effort you can give in the future will be equally valuable,<BR> <BR>- Jim<BR><br> <BR><div>> From: bf-docboard-request@blender.org<br>> Subject: Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 91, Issue 3<br>> To: bf-docboard@blender.org<br>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 12:00:01 +0200<br>> <br>> Send Bf-docboard mailing list submissions to<br>> bf-docboard@blender.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> bf-docboard-request@blender.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> bf-docboard-owner@blender.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of Bf-docboard digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (Jared Reisweber)<br>> 2. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (mindrones)<br>> 3. Re: Current state of wiki updating. (Willie Pierce)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 16:34:07 -0700<br>> From: Jared Reisweber <jaredr122@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.<br>> To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard@blender.org><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAJgraRSRPhHHEdQiGuDVSzGtkGGjpY3UXcopvd1gbnUCDZz6uA@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> I kind of agree with Fade. I would be interested in continuing to help add<br>> wiki pages again. I had made a bunch of wiki structure changes a while<br>> back, that should have been reviewed prior, but things like adding content<br>> to pages, or moving content to appropriate pages could be well ahead of<br>> where it is now if the review process was eased up a bit. It's troubling to<br>> learn that, after such a big deal was made over a new reviewing process,<br>> not much progress has been made. I have a hard time believing the manual<br>> would get that out of hand by opening up page editing, as long as there is<br>> consistency in formatting guidelines that are followed. Are there really<br>> that many people actively working on the manual?<br>> <br>> On the topic of manual structure, there are several areas of redundancy and<br>> inconsistency in the manual index I think could be improved on. For example<br>> these 7 pages:<br>> <br>> - Graph Editor<br>> - F-Curves<br>> - -F-Curves Types<br>> - -F-Curves Graph Editor Interface<br>> - -Editing<br>> - --F-Curves<br>> - --Keyframes<br>> <br>> could be easily fit into about 3 pages:<br>> <br>> - Graph editor<br>> - F-curves<br>> - Editing f-curves<br>> <br>> There is inconsistency in the grouping of Blender functions into manual<br>> pages. I would argue that some pages might be too specific. Like, do we<br>> really need 6 pages on selecting mesh components? And only 1 page on<br>> animating Armatures? Resolving things like these would reduce the empty<br>> page count(~137), and make it less confusing, and easier to add content in<br>> the appropriate places, in my opinion. (e.g. the mesh editing and animation<br>> pages)<br>> <br>> Anyways, that's my thoughts.<br>> <br>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Fade <fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com>wrote:<br>> <br>> > I don't know about Ton, but Brecht usually documents whatever he's<br>> > working on as he codes it so I'd imagine he's aware of the general lack of<br>> > activity.<br>> ><br>> > -Fade<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On 09/01/12 16:05, Robert wrote:<br>> ><br>> > Has Ton, Brecht, or one of the main developers seen this problem yet?<br>> > -Robert<br>> > On 9/1/2012 10:19 AM, fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I know what you mean, I've got nearly 20 pages linked in the task list (<br>> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual) and<br>> > again on my user page that haven't been reviewed. Some of these have been<br>> > sitting there since the start of February. Waiting 7 months for a review<br>> > has all but killed my interest in contributing. I'm also going to be *that<br>> > guy* and say that I called it (<br>> > http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2012-February/003861.html).<br>> ><br>> > I know that there was a lot of effort put into setting up this review<br>> > process but it hasn't worked and doesn't look like it's going to. There<br>> > simply aren't enough people with enough time to make this system work<br>> > properly.<br>> ><br>> > Keeping the task list is useful, but I'm inclined to think that it's time<br>> > to ditch the whole review thing. At this point, it's just holding up<br>> > improvements to the manual. I know that it was put in place for quality<br>> > control, but it's had the opposite effect since none of the contributions<br>> > are making it into the manual and we're still left with the incorrect and<br>> > outdated pages.<br>> ><br>> > The review system is just placing obstacles in front of current and<br>> > potential contributors and I'd rather run the risk of some lower quality<br>> > pages so that it's easier for people to contribute.<br>> ><br>> > Cheers<br>> > Fade<br>> ><br>> > On 08/28/12 01:20, Sascha wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I had posted updates for the strands, build modifier, particle mode, and<br>> > bake pages over 4 months ago, but they still haven't been reviewed<br>> > I've really lost all momentum on wiki editing after this much time waiting<br>> > for a proof-read<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Materials/Properties/Strands<br>> ><br>> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Sascha_Uncia/Doc:2.6/Manual/Physics/Particles/Mode<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Bf-docboard mailing list<br>> > Bf-docboard@blender.org<br>> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard<br>> ><br>> ><br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/attachments/20120902/3e4c5eaf/attachment.html <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:20:05 +0200<br>> From: mindrones <mindrones@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.<br>> To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard@blender.org><br>> Message-ID:<br>> <CAJJ2qXOqJtmrr7=ACaiM1kzfcgPyZQfYcFuyRmDE590wvn10YQ@mail.gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>> <br>> Hi all,<br>> <br>> at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to<br>> follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.<br>> <br>> Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out<br>> in a year took months to be fixed.<br>> After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take<br>> responsibility instead.<br>> <br>> We have decided to start this table<br>> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles<br>> to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.<br>> That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the<br>> wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,<br>> just show up there.<br>> <br>> --<br>> <br>> Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and<br>> read these mail more often.<br>> Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,<br>> sorry for that.<br>> <br>> Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a<br>> help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the<br>> witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for<br>> example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),<br>> but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.<br>> <br>> Kind regards,<br>> Luca<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 04:49:26 -0500<br>> From: Willie Pierce <knightwalkr@gmail.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.<br>> To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard@blender.org><br>> Message-ID: <9ED43B3F-7C8A-4F33-AEFB-D9F297B03879@gmail.com><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br>> <br>> Luca<br>> Your not a burden that thing that happens when we don't expect it is life. No matter what remember the effort you have put in is appriciated.<br>> <br>> Sent from my iPhone<br>> <br>> On Sep 3, 2012, at 2:20 AM, mindrones <mindrones@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Hi all,<br>> > <br>> > at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to<br>> > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.<br>> > <br>> > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out<br>> > in a year took months to be fixed.<br>> > After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take<br>> > responsibility instead.<br>> > <br>> > We have decided to start this table<br>> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles<br>> > to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.<br>> > That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the<br>> > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,<br>> > just show up there.<br>> > <br>> > --<br>> > <br>> > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and<br>> > read these mail more often.<br>> > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,<br>> > sorry for that.<br>> > <br>> > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a<br>> > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the<br>> > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for<br>> > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),<br>> > but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.<br>> > <br>> > Kind regards,<br>> > Luca<br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Bf-docboard mailing list<br>> > Bf-docboard@blender.org<br>> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bf-docboard mailing list<br>> Bf-docboard@blender.org<br>> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-docboard<br>> <br>> <br>> End of Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 91, Issue 3<br>> ******************************************<br></div> </div></body>
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