[Bf-taskforce25] Keyboard Shortcuts Proposal

[Wahooney]

Daniel,

I think the main point of the discussion is to get the best default 
setup. Power users (power to the users indeed ;) ) can set it to 
something else if needed.

Daniel H wrote:
> I haven't been reading the whole thread, but this email caught my eye...
>
> Can't this all be setup per user settings as to which mouse button is 
> set to be select and which is modify? I mean, it's much like the 
> customizable key shortcuts. The user knows how best he needs to 
> function, let him pick the the setup. If he's shaky, he'll probably 
> want it to be LMB, so he can go into setting and select that.
>
> Power to the users, eh?
>
> Daniel
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Nathan Vegdahl <cessen at cessen.com 
> <mailto:cessen at cessen.com>> wrote:
>
>     > As for RMB select for tablet use, I couldn't agree less. RMB is
>     > ridiculously clunky for tablets, you have to hover the pen above the
>     > surface and try to aim, while pushing a side button that will
>     actually
>     > push your stylus out of the way of what you're pointing at.
>
>     It may depend on the tablet.  I use an intuos 3, and hitting RMB is
>     convenient and moves the stylus at least as little (if not less) as
>     tapping with the stylus tip.  Other tablets may have styluses with
>     less convenient button placement.
>
>     But regardless, I don't think micro-movements of the cursor (resulting
>     from either RMB or tapping) hurts selection in Blender.  If I had to
>     be pixel-perfect to select something with Blender, I'd already be
>     screwed.  Blender is extremely good at working with imprecise
>     selections.
>
>     What I have noticed is that the only time a stylus is actually precise
>     is when it's already touching the surface of the tablet, because you
>     have resistance.  Therefore the only truly precise "clicking" you can
>     do is lifting the stylus *off* of the tablet.  Tapping moves the tip.
>     Lifting doesn't.  At least that's been my experience.
>     So for tablet use it would be nice to map LMB-up to things where
>     precision matters most.
>
>     --Nathan V
>
>     On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Matt Ebb<matt at mke3.net
>     <mailto:matt at mke3.net>> wrote:
>     > Haven't had time to go over this proposal yet, will have a
>     better look
>     > tomorrow, but here's my 2c on the mouse button issue.
>     >
>     > On 22/06/2009, at 10:15 PM, Jason van Gumster wrote:
>     >
>     >> I'm on Blender a lot, for
>     >> long stretches of time. Excessive left-clicking can and does
>     lead to
>     >> tennis elbow. Furthermore, right-click select is actually idea for
>     >> tablet use. Please keep these things in mind.
>     >
>     > On the other side of the coin (anecdotal evidence too :) all of
>     us at
>     > work use LMB select every day, and it's just fine. Nowadays most
>     of us
>     > are on tablets though, so not really clicking, but it used to be all
>     > mice, and no tennis elbow. Not to mention that just about everybody
>     > that uses any other 3D application will also use LMB select, I don't
>     > hear many of them complaining and wanting to configure it to RMB ;)
>     >
>     > As for RMB select for tablet use, I couldn't agree less. RMB is
>     > ridiculously clunky for tablets, you have to hover the pen above the
>     > surface and try to aim, while pushing a side button that will
>     actually
>     > push your stylus out of the way of what you're pointing at. Not to
>     > mention that painting/sculpting/etc only makes sense actually using
>     > the pen as a pen. I can't possibly imagine using RMB select on a
>     tablet!
>     >
>     >> Helping new users is an admirable goal (trust me, I spend a lot of
>     >> time
>     >> with new users) but my impressions of 2.5 is that it's purpose
>     is to
>     >> improve the experience of existing Blender users moreso than new
>     >> users.
>     >
>     > There's another point in LMB select's favour though that's not just
>     > for new users. For people who use a fair few different apps in a 3D
>     > pipeline (other 3d apps, external modellers, comping apps, etc) it
>     > gets frustrating having to mentally switch gears to different
>     > selection modes every time you alt-tab. That's the main reason why I
>     > created the LMB select option in the first place.
>     >
>     > Anyway, regardless of what is decided upon as the default, it would
>     > also be a very good thing to have a startup screen when Blender is
>     > first installed/launched that provides a few keyboard/mouse
>     navigation/
>     > selection presets to choose between, perhaps like:
>     > * Blender 2.5
>     > * Blender 2.4
>     > * Max
>     > * Maya
>     > * etc.
>     >
>     > This will go a long way towards easing the transition for
>     artists from
>     > other packages.
>     >
>     > cheers,
>     >
>     > Matt
>     >
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