[Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10

[Octavio Mendez]

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>    1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A blender user
>       certification is required? (Debra E. Brown-Thompson)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 22:35:16 -0500 (EST)
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> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A
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> I like the idea of a Certification or Badges.  I am already in the process
> of trying to develop a skills Checklist for my classes.  Does anyone know
> if something already exist?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 8:37 pm
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A
> blender user certification is required?
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> Hello everyone!
> I think there are a lot of topics todiscuss.
>
> Piotr, the idea of get discussiontopics organized and keep a record on the
> wiki sounds great. you'vecreated the wiki page?
>
> We can start with a list of topics,contributions and questions we would
> like to talk about, and thenhave a discussion on each topic to try to reach
> common ground.
> We can chat on the #blendereducationIRC channel on freenode too.
> Maybe a forum could help to keep trackof all the treads?
> The proposal here,is to create astandardized tests or exams (or exam set)
> by skill,  and offerthis to schools and colleges to certify students
> with.The certificate would still be officiallyissued by the school itself
> not by the BF.
>
> We all onthe mail list,  have extensive experienceteaching blender, would
> be great if we can build a standard thateveryone can use.
>
> >From time to time a blenderstudent/user or a school/training center ask
> for an official blenderuser certification. And as blender is becoming more
> popular, thedemand grows. On my humble opinion, a certification is a tool
> thattells an employer that an individual has studied some field, and isused
> as a certainty that the person you are hiring has the skills todo the work.
> I am aware it's not a 100% guarantee of proof, but stillis a recognition of
> his/her habilities. It will become aresponsibility of the certificate
> issuer the quality of education ablender student receives, and i am sure we
> can help with it, workingon creating a standard for evaluating the
> knowledge.
>
> About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use
> something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org ) insteadof a
> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.
>
> I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must
> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?, yes?,
> no?, why? pros and cons?
>
> Greetings!
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>    1. Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) -     application
>       process maybe broken (Marcelo V)
>    2. Re: Blender user certification (avi dey)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 08:55:35 -0800 (PST)
> From: Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) -
>         application process maybe broken
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> (now in the right thread)
>
>
> My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the process
> is broken somewhere.
>
> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing information.
> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot for
> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.
> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite I
> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not get
> the auto reply email.
> ?Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different
> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.
> However,? according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.
>
> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my attempts.
>
>
> Regards,
> Marcelo
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> ________________________________
>  From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:38:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender user certification
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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.
>
> Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not their
> exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do you
> decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?
>
> Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so...
> certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a
> certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says
> they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a
> certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender
> foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting
> together?
>
> Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced),
> or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?
>
> And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple
> choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's
> "artistic/subjective".
>
> Dp;f
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <gferrop at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I am very interested
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
> >
> >Hello everyone!
> >>
> >>
> >>Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list, and
> sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest in
> the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.
> >>
> >>
> >>I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on
> that:
> >>
> >>
> >>Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on
> the creation of?standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer this
> to schools and colleges to certify students with.?
> >>
> >>
> >>He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it
> as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the
> school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."
> >>
> >>
> >>Who are interested? :)
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>
> >>Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez
> >>octavio at g-blender.org
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> From: avi dey <adtwinonline at gmail.com>
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> Piotr Arlukowicz Comment:
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> *By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:*
>
> - tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes
> - certification process for Blender Education
> - certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
>
>
> Avi Request For Clarification On "Functional Topic" Relating to Blender
> Certification Sub-Topics
>
> My Sub-Topic:  How do we strengthen and encourage certification of
> "Functional Areas" as  Blender is used in many different ways.
>
> My Funcational Sub topic:
> Dance Animation  Using Blender
>
> Blender Guru
> Dance Animation  Using Blender
>
> http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/
> 26. HapiLoli
>
> Conversation:  Only 1 person from Japan has know how to do this function !
> This Problem that can be overcome by "wise Blender Functional
> Certification"
> Avi Dey
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  Hi Dolf,
> >
> > nice to hear from you! :)
> > I don't give a certification during a normal study courses, the
> University
> > is for that. So, Blender classes are included in the whole process as a
> > small part although typical course I made lasts for 60-120 hours. If I am
> > doing also a standalone course for business or a company, I am usually
> > creating my own certificate, but it is far from BFCT and we know that can
> > be done just like that. It depends of the level of the course.
> >
> > Blender exams I've done are of two types in general: they can check
> > detailed knowledge/skill or be a project-related. The first category is
> > very rigid, the second is more artistic oriented and the overall quality
> > and mood are important.
> >
> > By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:
> > - tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes
> > - certification process for Blender Education
> > - certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
> >
> > So, let's not make a mess and lets focus on particular things, maybe in a
> > separate threads?
> >
> > btw Dolf, we have things to do, you know :)
> >
> >
> >  pz
> > piotr
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> >  2013/12/4 Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.
> >>
> >> Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not
> >> their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do
> >> you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?
> >>
> >> Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if
> so...
> >> certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a
> >> certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says
> >> they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a
> >> certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender
> >> foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting
> >> together?
> >>
> >> Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced),
> >> or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?
> >>
> >> And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple
> >> choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's
> >> "artistic/subjective".
> >>
> >> Dp;f
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <gferrop at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am very interested
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
> >>>
> >>>>  Hello everyone!
> >>>>
> >>>> Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list,
> >>>> and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing
> interest
> >>>> in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together
> on
> >>>> that:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but
> on
> >>>> the creation of standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer
> >>>> this to schools and colleges to certify students with.
> >>>>
> >>>> He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it
> >>>> as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by
> the
> >>>> school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."
> >>>>
> >>>> Who are interested? :)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> *Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez*
> >>>> octavio at g-blender.org
> >>>> www.g-blender.org
> >>>> 044 473 1034906
> >>>> @octagesimal
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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