[Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.

Tue Sep 4 00:02:03 CEST 2012

we will definitely take notes and post back here.  Does IRC have an auto
dump that we can edit?  Also, if we don't get quarum for wed at 2 pm CST, i
suggest we try sunday at 10 or 11 am GMT (i think that's when the
#blendercoders finish).

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, amdbcg <amdbcg at gmail.com> wrote:

>  @Wim: Welcome!  Once the meeting time is set, try to make it to the
> meeting. You're free to help :D. I'm sure you've already read the  Style
> Guidelines <http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Style_Guide>and are familiar with
> templates <http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Templates> for
> formatting. Your technical writing skills will be a nice addition to this
> team.
>
> @Board: Just a refresher on SCRUM roles:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)#Roles . We can switch
> off roles throughout the year if desired.
>
> Product/Doc Owner -The "Leader" of the team : I nominate Kesten since he
> is organizing a first meeting.
>
> Scrum Master: I would like to help out with the Scrum Master since I was
> posting in the IRC and helped get this off its feet. If someone else thinks
> they can also help fulfill this position, feel free to speak up - An
> additional few people  to switch off with is always nice.
>
> Dev/Doc Team - if you're on the mailing list, this is your role :
>
>    1.  At the beginning of each (week/ 2 weeks/ month) , you will be
>    given a list of assignments.
>     1. Assignments will either be distributed via dictatorship model, or
>       a first-come-first-serve model.
>        2. After you complete your doc assignment, you will be expected to
>    review at least 3 other completed docs from other people in a round-robin
>    fashion.
>    3. After a doc's page is reviewed by 3 dev/doc team members and/or
>    the  Product/Doc owner, it will come off the task list.
>    4. A 1-5 day period will be allocated for the dev/doc team to find 1-4
>    pages to add to the queue of assignments for the following week.
>
> If you would like to edit, modify, or critique this method, feel free to
> do so.
> Perhaps we can use Google Calendar<https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=amdbcg%40gmail.com&ctz=America/Chicago>
> for the schedule?
>
> @Kesten: The meeting sounds fine. I'm not sure If I can make it due to my
> job, but I will try. Can you have someone take notes?
>
> -amdbcg
>
>
> On 9/3/2012 4:00 PM, Wim Teuling wrote:
>
>  Although I am a newbie here, I do have technical writing and a lot of
> instructional material writing experience. I'd like to participate as well,
> if allowed.
>
>    ------------------------------
> *From:* amdbcg <amdbcg at gmail.com> <amdbcg at gmail.com>
> *To:* Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard at blender.org><bf-docboard at blender.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 3, 2012 1:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.
>
>  A Scrum meeting sounds excellent. Wednesday night? what time in UTC? I'm
> in the USA (CST -6:00 UTC)
> When the meeting takes place, could someone take notes, summarize, and
> post these notes back here? This will put everyone on the same page.
> -amdbcg
>
>
> On 9/3/2012 8:38 AM, Kesten Broughton wrote:
>
> One thing that would really help with relaxing the review process and
> avoid things getting messed up would be a history tab<https://share.coursera.org/wiki/index.php?title=ML:Neural_Networks:_Learning&action=history>.
> Many wikis have this and it serves as a version control of sorts.  I
> believe it is "built in" to the wiki framework and should just need
> enabling.
>
> This way, at times when our reviewer to contributor count is too low we
> could allow contributions to be pushed live before review with a note that
> "This page needs review" like wikipedia has.  If the new contribution is
> really "messed up" then the change could be reverted (but not destroyed).
>
> When our reviewer team is functioning, then we could tighten up the
> process to 'push live".
>
> I'm currently doing some review for Jim's work on BGE, but I haven't been
> trained by one of the core members, so i'm not sure if i'm missing
> anything.  We're also not clear on the procedure to push live once a page
> has been reviewed.
>
> This page should be used to track our work in progress.
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual
>
> My vote is for a wiki-team scrum on IRC asap where we can hash out a short
> term plan for the next month or two that is satisfactory to all.   How
> about wed night?
>
> kesten
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Brecht Van Lommel <
> brechtvanlommel at pandora.be> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree that the review process is not working, at this point the
> community is just too small to have a process this formal. People
> can't take responsibility immediately, they start first making small
> changes, and later might get more involved and be ready to take on
> responsibility. But there's not much point in doing that before they
> have worked for a while to convince themselves and others that this is
> something they want to do.
>
> Not sure what the right answer is, but I think the reviewing process
> should be relaxed. At least small changes like documenting a new
> option and the type of cleanups mentioned at the top of manual pages
> should be allowed without review. Why not do that and have a few
> people monitor recent changes? I'd volunteer for that.
>
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&target=Doc%3A2.6%2FManual
>
> Brecht.
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > at least until the end of September, I will really have no time to
> > follow wiki pages editing and/or reviewing.
> >
> > Opening up the wiki has been done already and the mess that came out
> > in a year took months to be fixed.
> > After long discussions we have preferred to push people to take
> > responsibility instead.
> >
> > We have decided to start this table
> > http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles
> > to invite people to take responsibility for some particular chapter.
> > That table is still kind of empty though... If you are active on the
> > wiki and want to take responsibility for a certain area of the manual,
> > just show up there.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Let me apologies for the long silence, I'll try to be more active and
> > read these mail more often.
> > Also, not being able to talk on IRC nowadays is quite a big hassle,
> > sorry for that.
> >
> > Frankly, if I will realize that I'm being more of a burden than a
> > help, I'll "resign" from my role of wiki coordinator and will let the
> > witness to someone else. In my view Greylica is a good substitute for
> > example, him being quite enthusiastic and active since a long time :),
> > but that should be discussed by other admins and active writers.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Luca
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