we will definitely take notes and post back here. Does IRC have an auto dump that we can edit? Also, if we don't get quarum for wed at 2 pm CST, i suggest we try sunday at 10 or 11 am GMT (i think that's when the #blendercoders finish).<br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:50 PM, amdbcg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amdbcg@gmail.com" target="_blank">amdbcg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>@Wim: Welcome! Once the meeting time
is set, try to make it to the meeting. You're free to help :D. I'm
sure you've already read the <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Style_Guide" target="_blank">
Style Guidelines</a> and are familiar with <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Guides/Templates" target="_blank">templates</a>
for formatting. Your technical writing skills will be a nice
addition to this team.<br>
<br>
@Board: Just a refresher on SCRUM roles: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_%28development%29#Roles" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development)#Roles</a>
. We can switch off roles throughout the year if desired.<br>
<br>
Product/Doc Owner -The "Leader" of the team : I nominate Kesten
since he is organizing a first meeting. <br>
<br>
Scrum Master: I would like to help out with the Scrum Master since
I was posting in the IRC and helped get this off its feet. If
someone else thinks they can also help fulfill this position, feel
free to speak up - An additional few people to switch off with is
always nice. <br>
<br>
Dev/Doc Team - if you're on the mailing list, this is your role :<br>
<ol>
<li> At the beginning of each (week/ 2 weeks/ month) , you will
be given a list of assignments. <br>
</li>
<ol>
<li>Assignments will either be distributed via dictatorship
model, or a first-come-first-serve model. <br>
</li>
</ol>
<li>After you complete your doc assignment, you will be expected
to review at least 3 other completed docs from other people in
a round-robin fashion.</li>
<li>After a doc's page is reviewed by 3 dev/doc team members
and/or the Product/Doc owner, it will come off the task list.</li>
<li>A 1-5 day period will be allocated for the dev/doc team to
find 1-4 pages to add to the queue of assignments for the
following week.<br>
</li>
</ol>
If you would like to edit, modify, or critique this method, feel
free to do so. <br>
Perhaps we can use<a href="https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=amdbcg%40gmail.com&ctz=America/Chicago" target="_blank">
Google Calendar</a> for the schedule? <br>
<br>
@Kesten: The meeting sounds fine. I'm not sure If I can make it
due to my job, but I will try. Can you have someone take notes? <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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-amdbcg</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 9/3/2012 4:00 PM, Wim Teuling wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Although I am a newbie here, I do have technical
writing and a lot of instructional material writing
experience. I'd like to participate as well, if allowed. <br>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
amdbcg <a href="mailto:amdbcg@gmail.com" target="_blank"><amdbcg@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
Blender Documentation Project
<a href="mailto:bf-docboard@blender.org" target="_blank"><bf-docboard@blender.org></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, September 3, 2012 1:53 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Bf-docboard] Current state of wiki updating.<br>
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<div>A Scrum
meeting sounds excellent. Wednesday night? what
time in UTC? I'm in the USA (CST -6:00 UTC)<br>
When the meeting takes place, could someone take
notes, summarize, and post these notes back here?
This will put everyone on the same page. <br>
-amdbcg<br>
<br>
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On 9/3/2012 8:38 AM, Kesten Broughton wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">One thing that would really
help with relaxing the review process and avoid
things getting messed up would be a <a rel="nofollow" href="https://share.coursera.org/wiki/index.php?title=ML:Neural_Networks:_Learning&action=history" target="_blank">history
tab</a>. Many wikis have this and it serves as
a version control of sorts. I believe it is
"built in" to the wiki framework and should just
need enabling.<br>
<br>
This way, at times when our reviewer to
contributor count is too low we could allow
contributions to be pushed live before review with
a note that "This page needs review" like
wikipedia has. If the new contribution is really
"messed up" then the change could be reverted (but
not destroyed). <br>
<br>
When our reviewer team is functioning, then we
could tighten up the process to 'push live".<br>
<br>
I'm currently doing some review for Jim's work on
BGE, but I haven't been trained by one of the core
members, so i'm not sure if i'm missing anything.
We're also not clear on the procedure to push live
once a page has been reviewed.<br>
<br>
This page should be used to track our work in
progress.<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki_Tasks/Review_2.6_Manual</a><br>
<br>
My vote is for a wiki-team scrum on IRC asap where
we can hash out a short term plan for the next
month or two that is satisfactory to all. How
about wed night?<br>
<br>
kesten<br>
<br>
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<div>On Mon, Sep
3, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Brecht Van Lommel <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:brechtvanlommel@pandora.be" target="_blank">brechtvanlommel@pandora.be</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
I agree that the review process is not
working, at this point the<br>
community is just too small to have a process
this formal. People<br>
can't take responsibility immediately, they
start first making small<br>
changes, and later might get more involved and
be ready to take on<br>
responsibility. But there's not much point in
doing that before they<br>
have worked for a while to convince themselves
and others that this is<br>
something they want to do.<br>
<br>
Not sure what the right answer is, but I think
the reviewing process<br>
should be relaxed. At least small changes like
documenting a new<br>
option and the type of cleanups mentioned at
the top of manual pages<br>
should be allowed without review. Why not do
that and have a few<br>
people monitor recent changes? I'd volunteer
for that.<br>
<a rel="nofollow" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&target=Doc%3A2.6%2FManual" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&limit=500&days=30&target=Doc%3A2.6%2FManual</a><br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Brecht.<br>
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On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:20 AM, mindrones
<<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mindrones@gmail.com" target="_blank">mindrones@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> at least until the end of September,
I will really have no time to<br>
> follow wiki pages editing and/or
reviewing.<br>
><br>
> Opening up the wiki has been done
already and the mess that came out<br>
> in a year took months to be fixed.<br>
> After long discussions we have
preferred to push people to take<br>
> responsibility instead.<br>
><br>
> We have decided to start this table<br>
> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Meta:Wiki%20Team#Roles</a><br>
> to invite people to take
responsibility for some particular
chapter.<br>
> That table is still kind of empty
though... If you are active on the<br>
> wiki and want to take responsibility
for a certain area of the manual,<br>
> just show up there.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Let me apologies for the long
silence, I'll try to be more active and<br>
> read these mail more often.<br>
> Also, not being able to talk on IRC
nowadays is quite a big hassle,<br>
> sorry for that.<br>
><br>
> Frankly, if I will realize that I'm
being more of a burden than a<br>
> help, I'll "resign" from my role of
wiki coordinator and will let the<br>
> witness to someone else. In my view
Greylica is a good substitute for<br>
> example, him being quite enthusiastic
and active since a long time :),<br>
> but that should be discussed by other
admins and active writers.<br>
><br>
> Kind regards,<br>
> Luca<br>
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