[Bf-docboard] Page Update (Doc:2.6/Manual/Introduction/Installing Blender/Linux)
Kesten Broughton
solarmobiletrailers at gmail.com
Wed Dec 19 01:34:33 CET 2012
it does seem inelegant to have os and windowmanager specific stuff
sprinkled throughout the wiki.
However, it's very frustrating when an instruction set doesn't work with
your flavor distro.
What about having a "platform specific issues" section and then general
wiki pages could link with "there are some __platform_specific_issues__".
The platform/wm specific section could be organized by major section and
would hopefully but mostly empty.
Another option would be to direct the reader to the Discussion tab for the
given page, where less formal, less maintained, but still useful material
could be tossed around.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Riidom <khaosoahk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I updated the Select/Edge page (
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Riidom/SelectingEdges ) , and put
> on top a little note about that problem. Since I am no linux user, I
> stayed vague here, but I would like to include a link to a page that deals
> with the problem in detail, once it is agreed upon creating one. There
> would be probably several places where such a hint could come to use, I
> think.
>
>
> Am 18.12.2012, 21:53 Uhr, schrieb Tibor Futo <tiborfuto at gmail.com>:
>
> > Fade, I am programmer and research engineer(of 20+ years), and yet it
> > took me quite a while to find the relevant information.
> >
> > Let´s make installing as easy as possible, so even kids can have an up
> > and running system in no time.
> >
> > ˝Installation˝ sections usually include OS/WM specific stuff, and
> > omitting them is an error. I missed the info, dug it up and put it
> > there, so next time I just consult the documentation.
> >
> > If this is such a big deal, a new page should be created for distro
> > specific data.
> >
> > However, Alt-Click is something I want right away. I hate the default
> > 3 button mode, I do not even know how can people use that, very
> > awkward and stressing middle finger may cause various problems later.
> > The first thing I do is turntable after install, and many people uses
> > 3 button emulation.
> >
> > I suggest keeping that comment there.
> >
> > T.
> >
> > On 12/19/12, Fade <fade_docboard_blender at ymail.com> wrote:
> >> I don't think we should be adding distro specific instructions to the
> >> wiki (it's a Blender manual after all). This will just lead to a chronic
> >> maintenance hassle given the number of distros, window managers and
> >> customization possibilities. e.g. I'm on arch with fluxbox as my WM, so
> >> Ubuntu and gnome instructions are irrelevant to me, just as they would
> >> be for any Ubuntu user who had installed XFCE, openbox etc.
> >>
> >> I think it's best to simply make a note of the potential for the
> >> ALT+mouse click conflict and indicate that users may either want to
> >> change their distro/window manager settings (in which case they should
> >> consult that documentation) or alter the Blender key setting. I'd
> >> rewrite this as something like:
> >>
> >> **
> >> Many Linux distributions default to Alt+LMB for moving windows which can
> >> cause input conflicts since Blender uses Alt+Click for many operations.
> >> The simplest way to avoid this is to change the key setting for your
> >> window manager. Please consult your window manager's documentation for
> >> instructions.
> >>
> >> Alternately, you could change the Blender key setting by editing the
> >> relevant Input settings from the User Preferences window. Note that
> >> there are several settings that need to be changed so the recommended
> >> method is to change the key settings for your window manager.
> >> ***
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Fade
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18/12/12 20:39, Tibor Futo wrote:
> >>> I am new to this list. Is there a way to survey users' configuration?
> >>>
> >>> No clue about Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu...
> >>>
> >>> Probably you should add your fix to the documentation, making as
> >>> generic as possible, for KDE.
> >>>
> >>> T.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:magick.crow at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Tibor Futo <tiborfuto at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto:tiborfuto at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>> > Blender uses the Alt button for three button mouse emulation. I
> >>> suggest not
> >>> > changing the default keybinding for Blender's Alt-Click behavior
> >>> for three
> >>> > button mouse emulation. Linux's screen grabbing for Alt-Click is
> >>> pretty
> >>> > stupid But, what developers could do is: not propagating the
> >>> Alt-Click to
> >>> > the OS. That way Alt-Click would work in Blender, but no OS
> >>> setting
> >>> > modification would be neccessary.
> >>> >
> >>> > My guess is that most Blender users are using Ubuntu for the
> >>> latest video
> >>> > drivers, and most people use a Gnome derivative as a desktop. So
> >>> I do not
> >>> > really get your KDE comment :-).
> >>> >
> >>> > T.
> >>>
> >>> I know a LOT of KDE users. I would think Ubuntu is bigger but there
> >>> are plenty of KDE users.
> >>> My kde Sabayon is using Nvidia 310.19
> >>> Is Ubuntu more up to date?
> >>>
> >>> My fix for kde is EASY just change the KDE system key to the meta
> >>> key.
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