it does seem inelegant to have os and windowmanager specific stuff sprinkled throughout the wiki.<div>However, it's very frustrating when an instruction set doesn't work with your flavor distro.</div><div><br></div>
<div>What about having a "platform specific issues" section and then general wiki pages could link with "there are some __platform_specific_issues__".</div><div><br></div><div>The platform/wm specific section could be organized by major section and would hopefully but mostly empty.<br>
<br>Another option would be to direct the reader to the Discussion tab for the given page, where less formal, less maintained, but still useful material could be tossed around.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Riidom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:khaosoahk@gmail.com" target="_blank">khaosoahk@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I updated the Select/Edge page (<br>
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Riidom/SelectingEdges" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Riidom/SelectingEdges</a> ) , and put<br>
on top a little note about that problem. Since I am no linux user, I<br>
stayed vague here, but I would like to include a link to a page that deals<br>
with the problem in detail, once it is agreed upon creating one. There<br>
would be probably several places where such a hint could come to use, I<br>
think.<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 18.12.2012, 21:53 Uhr, schrieb Tibor Futo <<a href="mailto:tiborfuto@gmail.com">tiborfuto@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> Fade, I am programmer and research engineer(of 20+ years), and yet it<br>
> took me quite a while to find the relevant information.<br>
><br>
> Let´s make installing as easy as possible, so even kids can have an up<br>
> and running system in no time.<br>
><br>
> ˝Installation˝ sections usually include OS/WM specific stuff, and<br>
> omitting them is an error. I missed the info, dug it up and put it<br>
> there, so next time I just consult the documentation.<br>
><br>
> If this is such a big deal, a new page should be created for distro<br>
> specific data.<br>
><br>
> However, Alt-Click is something I want right away. I hate the default<br>
> 3 button mode, I do not even know how can people use that, very<br>
> awkward and stressing middle finger may cause various problems later.<br>
> The first thing I do is turntable after install, and many people uses<br>
> 3 button emulation.<br>
><br>
> I suggest keeping that comment there.<br>
><br>
> T.<br>
><br>
> On 12/19/12, Fade <<a href="mailto:fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com">fade_docboard_blender@ymail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I don't think we should be adding distro specific instructions to the<br>
>> wiki (it's a Blender manual after all). This will just lead to a chronic<br>
>> maintenance hassle given the number of distros, window managers and<br>
>> customization possibilities. e.g. I'm on arch with fluxbox as my WM, so<br>
>> Ubuntu and gnome instructions are irrelevant to me, just as they would<br>
>> be for any Ubuntu user who had installed XFCE, openbox etc.<br>
>><br>
>> I think it's best to simply make a note of the potential for the<br>
>> ALT+mouse click conflict and indicate that users may either want to<br>
>> change their distro/window manager settings (in which case they should<br>
>> consult that documentation) or alter the Blender key setting. I'd<br>
>> rewrite this as something like:<br>
>><br>
>> **<br>
>> Many Linux distributions default to Alt+LMB for moving windows which can<br>
>> cause input conflicts since Blender uses Alt+Click for many operations.<br>
>> The simplest way to avoid this is to change the key setting for your<br>
>> window manager. Please consult your window manager's documentation for<br>
>> instructions.<br>
>><br>
>> Alternately, you could change the Blender key setting by editing the<br>
>> relevant Input settings from the User Preferences window. Note that<br>
>> there are several settings that need to be changed so the recommended<br>
>> method is to change the key settings for your window manager.<br>
>> ***<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers<br>
>> Fade<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 18/12/12 20:39, Tibor Futo wrote:<br>
>>> I am new to this list. Is there a way to survey users' configuration?<br>
>>><br>
>>> No clue about Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu...<br>
>>><br>
>>> Probably you should add your fix to the documentation, making as<br>
>>> generic as possible, for KDE.<br>
>>><br>
>>> T.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Knapp <<a href="mailto:magick.crow@gmail.com">magick.crow@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:magick.crow@gmail.com">magick.crow@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Tibor Futo <<a href="mailto:tiborfuto@gmail.com">tiborfuto@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tiborfuto@gmail.com">tiborfuto@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Blender uses the Alt button for three button mouse emulation. I<br>
>>> suggest not<br>
>>> > changing the default keybinding for Blender's Alt-Click behavior<br>
>>> for three<br>
>>> > button mouse emulation. Linux's screen grabbing for Alt-Click is<br>
>>> pretty<br>
>>> > stupid But, what developers could do is: not propagating the<br>
>>> Alt-Click to<br>
>>> > the OS. That way Alt-Click would work in Blender, but no OS<br>
>>> setting<br>
>>> > modification would be neccessary.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > My guess is that most Blender users are using Ubuntu for the<br>
>>> latest video<br>
>>> > drivers, and most people use a Gnome derivative as a desktop. So<br>
>>> I do not<br>
>>> > really get your KDE comment :-).<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > T.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I know a LOT of KDE users. I would think Ubuntu is bigger but there<br>
>>> are plenty of KDE users.<br>
>>> My kde Sabayon is using Nvidia 310.19<br>
>>> Is Ubuntu more up to date?<br>
>>><br>
>>> My fix for kde is EASY just change the KDE system key to the meta<br>
>>> key.<br>
>>> --<br>
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