[Bf-docboard] 2.5 Wiki Changes

Mon Nov 7 22:22:21 CET 2011

Ok ok! I'm not gonna touch anything. I added those pages yesterday before
Luca said not to. And I wish you guys would stop throwing around the work
'anarchy.' I feel bad enough as it is, and I hardly think anarchy is an
appropriate description.

-Jared

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Bastien Montagne <montagne29 at wanadoo.fr>wrote:

>  Hi Jared.
>
> Today, it seems you tried to clear a bit the 2.5 mess.
>
> *PLEASE STOP*
>
> I don’t want to be rude, but adding pages like
> Doc:2.5/Manual/Animation/Techs/Object/Constraint to replace
> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.5/Manual/Animation/Constraints is
> *not* the way to go! That kind of thing must be done by *moving* the page
> from its old name (path) to its new one, which you can’t do.
>
> This added extra work for us (having to manually redirect the old page to
> the new name!).
>
> Further more, we are in the process of reviewing 2.5 manual these days,
> it’s an ugly work to do, and wild changes made during it make it even
> worse… :(
>
> You’ve done a hard work so far, but unfortunately anarchically. Thus, we’d
> just like you to wait a few days, not touching the 2.5 manual. Then, we
> will publish on this list our report over 2.5 state, and from there we’ll
> define what to do. You’ll obviously be very welcome in the fixing&writing
> team! :)
>
> Regards,
> Bastien Montagne
>
> Le 07/11/2011 19:54, Jared Reisweber a écrit :
>
> Ok, lets all take a deep breath. I only ever intended to help, and never
> to take over. There was misunderstanding on my part and I apologize. I
> realize the error of my ways, and will have no problem complying with the
> wiki guidelines from this point on, of which I now better understand. I saw
> a role to fill as a wiki contributor, but I got ahead of myself.
>
> , along with
>> > other significant changes that are needed, in my public spreadsheet:
>> > Blender Wiki Content
>> > <
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgUiaPsPYcKpdElpc2V3S1JIb21kUTNMT0YzTTJ2X3c&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0
>> >.
>>
>> this is not the workflow stated in the guidelines.
>>
>
> I understand this. I was keeping track of all the edits and changes I
> made, on my personal computer. When I realized that this might be helpful
> for admins to view, I made it public. Again, I was not trying to ignore
> rules, I simply misinterpreted them. I've kept a list of all the 2.5 pages
> I filled in, and can post it where appropriate. For the most part, I was
> under the impression that I didn't need to do sandbox pages, since I was
> simply reusing content from the 2.4 pages, and conforming them to 2.5. I
> would agree that I should have prepared sandbox pages for bigger changes,
> like the modeling section, and for content that is new in 2.5.
>
> > Out of the 454 or so wiki
>> > pages, i've only changed page links for about 70 of them (see the second
>> > sheet in my Google doc), so I don't know what you mean about not
>> > following the 2.4 structure "at all."
>>
>> 70!
>>
>
> I've fixed 43 of these pages in my sandbox page, by copying the page
> contents over to the old pages. There's really only about 46 pages in the
> 2.4 manual that do not yet have direct corresponding pages in 2.5, which
> are primarily the modeling and animation pages. I really don't think fixing
> the cross linking issue is that big of a deal. Most the content either
> exists, and simply needs to be split up again, or is not there at all, so
> the links can be changed without issue.
>
> Again, I want to stress that I had no intentions of anarchy. I am not
> blaming anyone for my failure to comply with the guidelines. I respect the
> input of others and agree that there needs to be collaboration in order to
> complete this project. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to
> help resolve this problem.
>
>
> Regards,
> Jared
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Narayan,
>>
>> On 11/07/2011 04:43 PM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:
>> > I decided to work on my own pdf because of the "sandbox" idea, which
>> > IMHO is not supported by this team well
>>
>>  by reading the past mails here you will see that it is quite the
>> opposite. Also, the major wiki contributors agree using it, and same
>> goes in #blenderwiki channel.
>> We all use it as a safety net.
>>
>> It is up to you to accept the sandbox for big changes, or not.
>>
>>
>> The 2.5 manual has been quite a playground for 2 years, and infact it is
>> now causing some headache rewiewing it, but once it'll be reviewed it
>> will have to follow the same sandbox mechanism.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Luca
>>
>>
>>
>> > The SEO area seems to be without any sandboxes; so I decided to
>> > contribute there.
>>
>>  SEO is about
>>
>> >
>> > On 11/7/11, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Narayan,
>> >>
>> >> I'd prefer that decisions regarding blender's wiki are made by people
>> >> that have done significant work (meaning with a good amount of
>> >> contributions in the wiki itself) and following the rules we have.
>> >>
>> >> Rules can be discussed of course, but IMHO by people that have already
>> >> followed the current ones for a while, and have a significant
>> experience
>> >> and history in this wiki.
>> >>
>> >> I don't really want to be harsh, but I don't see many edits in your
>> user
>> >> page :/
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Raindrops
>> >>
>> >> I think it is understandable that there is a difference among people
>> >> doing real work and people having opinions, no offense.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/07/2011 06:06 AM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> But in our case, Blender itself has changed drastically (say Cycles,
>> >>> Dynamic Paint, Dope sheet,  etc.). Therefore the wiki structure NEEDS
>> to
>> >>> change.
>> >>
>> >> New topics aren't a change (Cycles, Dynamic Paint).
>> >> Dopesheet represent a change, but that's just a small part of the whole
>> >> manual.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Jared had taken that initiative long ago, but those suggestions have
>> >>> remained in sandbox for a very very very long time now.
>> >>
>> >> Bastien has waited several months before someone had the time to
>> review,
>> >> it's normal, because this is a volunteering project.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> It is this inflexibility that led me to making the manual in pdf form,
>> >>> which is already making good progress.
>> >>
>> >> Stating that you work on your own manual and pretending to make
>> >> decisions here is a bit weird IMHO.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> P.S. I had earlier suggested that I would like to work on SEO (I
>> >>> purposely mentioned ONLY the "description" meta tag, because Google
>> uses
>> >>> it to show the queried terms in bold. If we can decide the strategy
>> >>> about how to formulate it, I can work on those tags, either alone or
>> as
>> >>> part of SEO team.)
>> >>
>> >> There is a thread about SEO now, please reply there, thanks :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> According to Google SEO guidelines, having a site map helps SEO, which
>> >>> should be made/updated frequently to reflect the current state of the
>> >>> website. So running that map-maker script periodically would help our
>> SEO.
>> >>
>> >> As stated, this is in the todo.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Luca
>> >>
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>> Luca
>>
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