Ok ok! I'm not gonna touch anything. I added those pages yesterday before Luca said not to. And I wish you guys would stop throwing around the work 'anarchy.' I feel bad enough as it is, and I hardly think anarchy is an appropriate description.<br>
<br>-Jared<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Bastien Montagne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:montagne29@wanadoo.fr">montagne29@wanadoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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Hi Jared.<br>
<br>
Today, it seems you tried to clear a bit the 2.5 mess.<br>
<br>
*PLEASE STOP*<br>
<br>
I don’t want to be rude, but adding pages like
Doc:2.5/Manual/Animation/Techs/Object/Constraint to replace
<a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.5/Manual/Animation/Constraints" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.5/Manual/Animation/Constraints</a>
is *not* the way to go! That kind of thing must be done by *moving*
the page from its old name (path) to its new one, which you can’t
do.<br>
<br>
This added extra work for us (having to manually redirect the old
page to the new name!).<br>
<br>
Further more, we are in the process of reviewing 2.5 manual these
days, it’s an ugly work to do, and wild changes made during it make
it even worse… :(<br>
<br>
You’ve done a hard work so far, but unfortunately anarchically.
Thus, we’d just like you to wait a few days, not touching the 2.5
manual. Then, we will publish on this list our report over 2.5
state, and from there we’ll define what to do. You’ll obviously be
very welcome in the fixing&writing team! :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Bastien Montagne<br>
<br>
Le 07/11/2011 19:54, Jared Reisweber a écrit :
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">Ok, lets all take a deep breath. I only ever intended
to help, and never to take over. There was misunderstanding on my
part and I apologize. I realize the error of my ways, and will
have no problem complying with the wiki guidelines from this point
on, of which I now better understand. I saw a role to fill as a
wiki contributor, but I got ahead of myself.<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">, along with<br>
> other significant changes that are needed, in my public
spreadsheet:<br>
> Blender Wiki Content<br>
> <<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgUiaPsPYcKpdElpc2V3S1JIb21kUTNMT0YzTTJ2X3c&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgUiaPsPYcKpdElpc2V3S1JIb21kUTNMT0YzTTJ2X3c&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0</a>>.<br>
<br>
this is not the workflow stated in the guidelines.<br>
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<br>
I understand this. I was keeping track of all the edits and
changes I made, on my personal computer. When I realized that this
might be helpful for admins to view, I made it public. Again, I
was not trying to ignore rules, I simply misinterpreted them. I've
kept a list of all the 2.5 pages I filled in, and can post it
where appropriate. For the most part, I was under the impression
that I didn't need to do sandbox pages, since I was simply reusing
content from the 2.4 pages, and conforming them to 2.5. I would
agree that I should have prepared sandbox pages for bigger
changes, like the modeling section, and for content that is new in
2.5.<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">> Out of the 454 or so wiki<br>
> pages, i've only changed page links for about 70 of them
(see the second<br>
> sheet in my Google doc), so I don't know what you mean
about not<br>
> following the 2.4 structure "at all."<br>
<br>
70!<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
I've fixed 43 of these pages in my sandbox page, by copying the
page contents over to the old pages. There's really only about
46 pages in the 2.4 manual that do not yet have direct
corresponding pages in 2.5, which are primarily the modeling and
animation pages. I really don't think fixing the cross linking
issue is that big of a deal. Most the content either exists, and
simply needs to be split up again, or is not there at all, so
the links can be changed without issue.<br>
<br>
Again, I want to stress that I had no intentions of anarchy. I
am not blaming anyone for my failure to comply with the
guidelines. I respect the input of others and agree that there
needs to be collaboration in order to complete this project.
Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help resolve
this problem.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Jared<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, mindrones
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mindrones@gmail.com" target="_blank">mindrones@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Narayan,<br>
<div><br>
On 11/07/2011 04:43 PM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:<br>
> I decided to work on my own pdf because of the
"sandbox" idea, which<br>
> IMHO is not supported by this team well<br>
<br>
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by reading the past mails here you will see that it is quite
the<br>
opposite. Also, the major wiki contributors agree using it,
and same<br>
goes in #blenderwiki channel.<br>
We all use it as a safety net.<br>
<br>
It is up to you to accept the sandbox for big changes, or not.<br>
<br>
<br>
The 2.5 manual has been quite a playground for 2 years, and
infact it is<br>
now causing some headache rewiewing it, but once it'll be
reviewed it<br>
will have to follow the same sandbox mechanism.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Luca<br>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
> The SEO area seems to be without any sandboxes; so I
decided to<br>
> contribute there.<br>
<br>
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SEO is about<br>
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><br>
> On 11/7/11, mindrones <<a href="mailto:mindrones@gmail.com" target="_blank">mindrones@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> Hi Narayan,<br>
>><br>
>> I'd prefer that decisions regarding blender's
wiki are made by people<br>
>> that have done significant work (meaning with a
good amount of<br>
>> contributions in the wiki itself) and following
the rules we have.<br>
>><br>
>> Rules can be discussed of course, but IMHO by
people that have already<br>
>> followed the current ones for a while, and have a
significant experience<br>
>> and history in this wiki.<br>
>><br>
>> I don't really want to be harsh, but I don't see
many edits in your user<br>
>> page :/<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Raindrops" target="_blank">http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Raindrops</a><br>
>><br>
>> I think it is understandable that there is a
difference among people<br>
>> doing real work and people having opinions, no
offense.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 11/07/2011 06:06 AM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> But in our case, Blender itself has changed
drastically (say Cycles,<br>
>>> Dynamic Paint, Dope sheet, etc.). Therefore
the wiki structure NEEDS to<br>
>>> change.<br>
>><br>
>> New topics aren't a change (Cycles, Dynamic
Paint).<br>
>> Dopesheet represent a change, but that's just a
small part of the whole<br>
>> manual.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> Jared had taken that initiative long ago, but
those suggestions have<br>
>>> remained in sandbox for a very very very long
time now.<br>
>><br>
>> Bastien has waited several months before someone
had the time to review,<br>
>> it's normal, because this is a volunteering
project.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> It is this inflexibility that led me to
making the manual in pdf form,<br>
>>> which is already making good progress.<br>
>><br>
>> Stating that you work on your own manual and
pretending to make<br>
>> decisions here is a bit weird IMHO.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> P.S. I had earlier suggested that I would
like to work on SEO (I<br>
>>> purposely mentioned ONLY the "description"
meta tag, because Google uses<br>
>>> it to show the queried terms in bold. If we
can decide the strategy<br>
>>> about how to formulate it, I can work on
those tags, either alone or as<br>
>>> part of SEO team.)<br>
>><br>
>> There is a thread about SEO now, please reply
there, thanks :)<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> According to Google SEO guidelines, having a
site map helps SEO, which<br>
>>> should be made/updated frequently to reflect
the current state of the<br>
>>> website. So running that map-maker script
periodically would help our SEO.<br>
>><br>
>> As stated, this is in the todo.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Luca<br>
>><br>
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