[Bf-committers] Windows XP support

[patrick boelens]

One final note regarding Linux for less wealthy people: I think it's safe to assume that a lot of these people share a computer; be it within their family or within a broader community. I don't have any numbers for this, but making a blanket statement saying everyone has that option seems a bit too biased from our perspective imho.

Regardless, this discussion has been had many, many times before and I've made my point, so I'll go back to lurking for now. ;)

-Patrick

> To: bf-committers at blender.org
> From: matmenu at live.fr
> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:25:30 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Windows XP support
> 
> Find me someone that used Blender on a linux distro one year long 
> without solving several problems with the command line.
> 
> Still today, the Linux distro which is seen as the most user-friendly:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/30c7ig/nvidia_drivers_not_working_with_linux_mint/
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/153040/amd-drivers-make-linux-mint-17-cinnamon-crash
> https://nautilusmode.com/2015/08/09/how-to-install-krita-on-linux-mint-17-2/
> http://www.webupd8.org/2015/11/install-gimp-2816-in-ubuntu-or-linux.html
> 
> Dataloss on the most stable Linux Distro:
> https://access.redhat.com/solutions/369383
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29162
> 
> And this are just some quick googling results. You can find much better 
> ones.
> 
> All the solutions proposed use the command line. I used Linux for more 
> than 10 years. Not a single year I could get all my apps and drivers in 
> their latest version without googling, posting on forum and using the 
> command line. Not speaking about the fun due to conflicts in the 
> libraries when you add to many repos, breaking other pass, etc.
> You can of course still believe that the 8% of Blender user under Linux 
> is due to people using the version 2.69 of Blender that is in their repo 
> or that all graphic artists on Linux have the time and skills to 
> compile  Blender themselves. On Windows, you download, double click the 
> installer or just unpack the archive and it just works.
> Note that I would be happy to see Linux as a serious alternative, but 
> it's still reserved to a small passionate community due to the final 
> polish not being done. 95% is there, but time is spend compiling the 
> same program 100x times for the 100s of distros and making 10 
> alternative of a video/music player/text editor/whatever, helping to 
> post command line solutions on 20 different forums instead of fixing 
> upstream once and for all. Creating new file systems with hash 
> collisions leading to security risk and data loss (BtrFS). In 2015 not 
> supporting NTFS completly (https://wimlib.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4).
> And most people on earth can't afford a new PC every 10 years.
> 
> On 30/01/2016 15:25, Knapp wrote:
> > If your computer is so old that it is running XP then you will have
> > problems with most advanced features that expect you to have a powerful
> > computer. If the XP users really must use his old computer and he wants new
> > features that are not supported and he has internet then he can download a
> > new and modern Linux lite distro and run the newest Blender. It is not like
> > we are even locking out poor people by dropping XP support.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Martijn Berger <martijn.berger at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> I am pretty sure it either works or can be made to work pretty easy.
> >>
> >> Martijn
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Mike Erwin <significant.bit at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Sebastian A. Brachi <
> >>> sebastianbrachi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> What newer APIs do we want to use but are being held back by XP?
> >>>>>
> >>>> What about Python 3.5, which doesn't support XP anymore?
> >>>>
> >>>> As specified in PEP 11, a Python release only supports a Windows
> >> platform
> >>>>> while Microsoft considers the platform under extended support. This
> >>> means
> >>>>> that Python 3.5 supports Windows Vista and newer. If you require
> >>> Windows
> >>>> XP
> >>>>> support then please install Python 3.4.
> >>>> https://docs.python.org/3/using/windows.html
> >>>>
> >>> If Python stops working that's a BIG reason to move on. If unsupported
> >>> means "works, but don't expect support"... it's not as urgent.
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