[Bf-committers] Display modes for 3D-View from user perspective

Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com
Thu Nov 24 18:37:45 CET 2011

A short look at you screenshot/mochup gave me a good impression. I would 
really like to see it simplified that way.
The only thing that isn't quite clear to me would be the difference 
between Textured->Textured and Textured->Shadeless. I would assume that 
both are the same? Or is TT meant to be lit the old way, using OpenGL 
predefined lights with multitexture?

Currently we have this possible choices (Modes: GS=GLSL, 
MT=Multitexturing, ST=Singletexturing; Option: TeS=Textured solid):

Drawmode  | Mode | TeS | Rendered as:
Bounding  |  GS  |     | BoundingBox
Bounding  |  GS  |  x  | BoundingBox
Bounding  |  MT  |     | BoundingBox
Bounding  |  MT  |  x  | BoundingBox
Bounding  |  ST  |     | BoundingBox
Bounding  |  ST  |  x  | BoundingBox
Wireframe |  GS  |     | Wire
Wireframe |  GS  |  x  | Wire
Wireframe |  MT  |     | Wire
Wireframe |  MT  |  x  | Wire
Wireframe |  ST  |     | Wire
Wireframe |  ST  |  x  | Wire
Solid     |  GS  |     | Solid-Shading
Solid     |  GS  |  x  | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Solid     |  MT  |     | Solid-Shading
Solid     |  MT  |  x  | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Solid     |  ST  |     | Solid-Shading
Solid     |  ST  |  x  | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Texture   |  GS  |     | GLSL-Shading + GLSL-Texturing / Nodes
Texture   |  GS  |  x  | GLSL-Shading + GLSL-Texturing / Nodes
Texture   |  MT  |     | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Texture   |  MT  |  x  | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Texture   |  ST  |     | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
Texture   |  ST  |  x  | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)

That are a whole lot of possible combinations (24), but only a hand full 
(6) of actually implemented display modes. What about Multitexturing? I 
never saw a single mode supporting it inside the 3D-View. Additionally i 
think that the last mode "OpenGL-Shading + Single-Texturing (always 
active UV only)" is pretty much useless in practice.

Greetings from
Tobias Oelgarte

Am 24.11.2011 17:46, schrieb Julio Iglesias:
> I agree, it is a mess right now. Personally I would love something like
> this:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2294713/textureshadingmodes.png
> As for key mapping, imho, it would be nice to use SHIFT+Z to switch between
> all texture shading options (texture, tex solid, shaderless, and GLSL)
> Also, ALT+Z would switch between wireframe and whatever Texture Shading
> mode is currently selected.
> Same goes for "Z" switching between wireframe and any solid shading is
> selected.
> Regards.
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Tobias Oelgarte<
> tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I noticed some recent changes on how blender renders the content inside
>> the 3D-View and at first i thought that it would be a bug in the current
>> revisions. So I opened a bug report after some curious postings inside
>> blendpolis.de (a well known German community website/forum for blender)
>> regarding this recent change. One of the first problems was to figure
>> out how to get a shadeless textured view onto a model. Even after
>> several tries nobody found a solution. Inside the bug report Brecht
>> mentioned that this change was intentional and not a bug. To achieve the
>> essential view for texturing/painting the user will now have to move all
>> lights to a separate layer and he is forced to hide this layer. Only
>> then you will get back to usual shadeless view for texturing. So far the
>> current situation.
>> As I was continuing my work on a model it just felt wrong. I have lights
>> spread out on multiple layers and I need this shadeless textured mode
>> for projection painting. So what i had to do now? I had to disable all
>> light layers (Shift+Click) to be able to continue the texturing and for
>> a simple test render i had to enable all this layers again. The problem
>> is, that i have to continue all steps over and over again, which simply
>> isn't fun anymore. So I was soon forced to step back and to use an older
>> version, in which i can just switch from solid to textured for
>> painting/texturing and from there to GLSL to get a rough preview.
>> I think that the current solution is neither suited for beginners (even
>> long time users are confused or annoyed) and the additional draw types
>> (e.g. solid shaded textured view or plain OpenGL-Lights Multitexture)
>> seem pretty useless to me, i came up with two ideas to make the best out
>> of it.
>> Option #1:
>> Add an additional checkbox under "Textured Solid", to disable all lights
>> and enforce the shadeless, textured mode. It would at least provide a
>> convenient way to switch between texturing (as a working step) and the
>> GLSL preview.
>> Option #2 (I would prefer it over #1):
>> Remove this options and reduce the display modes to the following set of
>> options:
>> 1. Bounding Box (not affected by anything currently found under the
>> GLSL/Multitexture/Singletexture option inside the 3D-View properties)
>> 2. Wireframe (as previous mode not affected)
>> 3. Solid view (Keep it solid, no textures, the typical view for modeling)
>> 4. Only Textures, no Shading. (the typical view for texturing/unwrapping)
>> 5. Only Shading, no Textures. (uses GLSL for lighting, but does not
>> utilize textures or nodes, fast/rough preview for lighting in scenes,
>> could be useful for sculpting)
>> 6. Full GLSL (fast preview)
>> Any other combination did not make much sense to me in the usual
>> workflow. Why not reduce the display modes to this set of options,
>> instead spreading them over multiple locations (3d-view toolbar, 3d-view
>> properties under "Display") or making them even depend on (in)visible
>> lights/layers?
>> Best wishes from
>> Tobias Oelgarte
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