[Bf-committers] Display modes for 3D-View from user perspective
Julio Iglesias
j at zafio.com
Sun Nov 27 17:44:13 CET 2011
Maybe I'm missing some facts, but the way I see it, to make it as simple as
possible, giving at the same time some versatility, overall changes could
be:
- Textured Solid option (could be) out from display/shading, as it can be
selected in the viewport's shading menu (as seen on the mockup)
- All viewport texture shading modes (except GLSL*) would still depend on
what is selected on "display/shading" panel.
* Meaning "Textured GLSL" would override whatever is selected in
"display/shading" and viceversa; if GLSL is selected in display/shading,
the other viewport tex shading modes would override GLSL mode.
Now, having those new viewport shading options, there might be a point
where having the "display/shading" panel doesn't make sense anymore, but I
think it doesn't hurt to leave it as it is at the moment, it might be a bit
confusing, but you wouldn't even need to go there anyway, since you could
alternate the most common tex shading options from the viewport menu or
(ALT/SHIFT/Z) shortcuts.
>Or is TT meant to be lit the old way, using OpenGL
>predefined lights with multitexture?
Yep, textured would be the same old textured, but I made a mistake on the
mockup, to avoid confusion and clutter, it should be like this:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2294713/textureshadingmodes2.png
So if you were currently in shadeless mode, "Textured" would be present
again.
Regards.
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Tobias Oelgarte <
tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com> wrote:
> A short look at you screenshot/mochup gave me a good impression. I would
> really like to see it simplified that way.
> The only thing that isn't quite clear to me would be the difference
> between Textured->Textured and Textured->Shadeless. I would assume that
> both are the same? Or is TT meant to be lit the old way, using OpenGL
> predefined lights with multitexture?
>
> Currently we have this possible choices (Modes: GS=GLSL,
> MT=Multitexturing, ST=Singletexturing; Option: TeS=Textured solid):
>
> Drawmode | Mode | TeS | Rendered as:
> ----------|------|-----|----------------
> Bounding | GS | | BoundingBox
> Bounding | GS | x | BoundingBox
> Bounding | MT | | BoundingBox
> Bounding | MT | x | BoundingBox
> Bounding | ST | | BoundingBox
> Bounding | ST | x | BoundingBox
> Wireframe | GS | | Wire
> Wireframe | GS | x | Wire
> Wireframe | MT | | Wire
> Wireframe | MT | x | Wire
> Wireframe | ST | | Wire
> Wireframe | ST | x | Wire
> Solid | GS | | Solid-Shading
> Solid | GS | x | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Solid | MT | | Solid-Shading
> Solid | MT | x | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Solid | ST | | Solid-Shading
> Solid | ST | x | Solid-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Texture | GS | | GLSL-Shading + GLSL-Texturing / Nodes
> Texture | GS | x | GLSL-Shading + GLSL-Texturing / Nodes
> Texture | MT | | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Texture | MT | x | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Texture | ST | | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
> Texture | ST | x | OpenGL-Shading + Single Texture (active UV only)
>
>
> That are a whole lot of possible combinations (24), but only a hand full
> (6) of actually implemented display modes. What about Multitexturing? I
> never saw a single mode supporting it inside the 3D-View. Additionally i
> think that the last mode "OpenGL-Shading + Single-Texturing (always
> active UV only)" is pretty much useless in practice.
>
> Greetings from
> Tobias Oelgarte
>
> Am 24.11.2011 17:46, schrieb Julio Iglesias:
> > I agree, it is a mess right now. Personally I would love something like
> > this:
> >
> > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2294713/textureshadingmodes.png
> >
> > As for key mapping, imho, it would be nice to use SHIFT+Z to switch
> between
> > all texture shading options (texture, tex solid, shaderless, and GLSL)
> > Also, ALT+Z would switch between wireframe and whatever Texture Shading
> > mode is currently selected.
> > Same goes for "Z" switching between wireframe and any solid shading is
> > selected.
> >
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Tobias Oelgarte<
> > tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I noticed some recent changes on how blender renders the content inside
> >> the 3D-View and at first i thought that it would be a bug in the current
> >> revisions. So I opened a bug report after some curious postings inside
> >> blendpolis.de (a well known German community website/forum for blender)
> >> regarding this recent change. One of the first problems was to figure
> >> out how to get a shadeless textured view onto a model. Even after
> >> several tries nobody found a solution. Inside the bug report Brecht
> >> mentioned that this change was intentional and not a bug. To achieve the
> >> essential view for texturing/painting the user will now have to move all
> >> lights to a separate layer and he is forced to hide this layer. Only
> >> then you will get back to usual shadeless view for texturing. So far the
> >> current situation.
> >>
> >> As I was continuing my work on a model it just felt wrong. I have lights
> >> spread out on multiple layers and I need this shadeless textured mode
> >> for projection painting. So what i had to do now? I had to disable all
> >> light layers (Shift+Click) to be able to continue the texturing and for
> >> a simple test render i had to enable all this layers again. The problem
> >> is, that i have to continue all steps over and over again, which simply
> >> isn't fun anymore. So I was soon forced to step back and to use an older
> >> version, in which i can just switch from solid to textured for
> >> painting/texturing and from there to GLSL to get a rough preview.
> >>
> >> I think that the current solution is neither suited for beginners (even
> >> long time users are confused or annoyed) and the additional draw types
> >> (e.g. solid shaded textured view or plain OpenGL-Lights Multitexture)
> >> seem pretty useless to me, i came up with two ideas to make the best out
> >> of it.
> >>
> >> Option #1:
> >> Add an additional checkbox under "Textured Solid", to disable all lights
> >> and enforce the shadeless, textured mode. It would at least provide a
> >> convenient way to switch between texturing (as a working step) and the
> >> GLSL preview.
> >>
> >> Option #2 (I would prefer it over #1):
> >> Remove this options and reduce the display modes to the following set of
> >> options:
> >>
> >> 1. Bounding Box (not affected by anything currently found under the
> >> GLSL/Multitexture/Singletexture option inside the 3D-View properties)
> >> 2. Wireframe (as previous mode not affected)
> >> 3. Solid view (Keep it solid, no textures, the typical view for
> modeling)
> >> 4. Only Textures, no Shading. (the typical view for
> texturing/unwrapping)
> >> 5. Only Shading, no Textures. (uses GLSL for lighting, but does not
> >> utilize textures or nodes, fast/rough preview for lighting in scenes,
> >> could be useful for sculpting)
> >> 6. Full GLSL (fast preview)
> >>
> >> Any other combination did not make much sense to me in the usual
> >> workflow. Why not reduce the display modes to this set of options,
> >> instead spreading them over multiple locations (3d-view toolbar, 3d-view
> >> properties under "Display") or making them even depend on (in)visible
> >> lights/layers?
> >>
> >> Best wishes from
> >> Tobias Oelgarte
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