[Bf-animsys] Animation Proposal

[Gianmichele Mariani]

Here at work no one uses the dopesheet to be honest, simply because when
you're in blocking, you have all your keys on the same frame (no need to use
it) and when you start offsetting keys most of the work is done in the graph
editor. But as I said before, everyone has got a different workflow, and
probably mine is based on some really bad habits :)
Also, I completely agree with Nathan that the tool is there already, and I
am completely against redundancy (Maya is a master in this, and I hate it!).
As I said before though, during the blocking having to deal with the whole
list of channels is redundant too and just by making the workflow a little
easier I'm pretty sure timeline lovers will be really happy :D

For an example, have a look at Messiah Studio. The timeline is there but
when you expand it it becomes a full dopesheet or a graph editor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhq0nd0siAA  (around min 8:30)

Cheers,

Gian

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Nathan Vegdahl <nathanvegdahl at gmail.com>wrote:

> At least with the Maya animators I've worked with, none of them use
> the timeline to manipulate keys.  Although, admittedly, that's
> anecdotal.
>
> But in any case, I'm not sure what benefits that provides over doing
> the exact same thing in the dopesheet anyway?  The workflow you
> described is identical to the dopesheet: box-select keys, move/scale.
>
> I guess I'm not *against* allowing people to manipulate keys in the
> timeline, per se.  I just don't see the point.  We already have an
> interface that's designed for that.  If it's deficient, we can improve
> it.
>
> --Nathan V
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:19 PM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > BTW, being able to manipulate keyframes in the timeline is useful;
> > lots of maya animators do this.  Generally, the work flow seems to be
> > box-select some keyframes, then drag them around/resize them, etc.  It
> > makes adjusting timing fast and easy.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Nathan Vegdahl <nathanvegdahl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> The timeline I guess would reflect keys on selected controls, so you
> >>> wouldn't have to browse like you would the dope sheet to find them, If
> it
> >>> came to that.
> >>
> >>   This can work in the dopesheet too, by toggling on "Only display
> >> selected" (the little arrow button in the dopesheet in 2.5).  Although
> >> right now it only filters objects, not bones.  But presumably that
> >> will be fixed at some point.
> >>
> >> --Nathan
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Jarred de Beer <jarr2000 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> This is great stuff.
> >>>
> >>> I for one have been missing the ability to shift keyframes on the
> timeline.
> >>> A scaled down dope sheet as an alternative seems to do the trick
> though.
> >>> The timeline I guess would reflect keys on selected controls, so you
> >>> wouldn't have to browse like you would the dope sheet to find them, If
> it
> >>> came to that.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jarred
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Gianmichele Mariani <
> g.mariani at liquidnet.it>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> WOW Bassam told me that some of the requests were already implemented
> but
> >>>> I didn't thought it was so many.
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree with all your points. I've been thinking a lot about the
> timeline
> >>>> stuff and I know it will be redundant to just have the same
> functionality
> >>>> ported to it.
> >>>> So my thoughts went to a pure presentation point of view. Would it be
> >>>> possible to have the dopesheet or the action editor automatically
> collapses
> >>>> all the channel when the space reaches a certain height ?
> >>>> This way you can have the best of both worlds. When it's lat's say 50
> px
> >>>> is one big channel. The moment you resize the window it unfolds
> everything
> >>>> back.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that I have internet back at home I'm going to download a new
> build of
> >>>> 2.5 and start playing with it again. I will probably discuss
> >>>> everything at BCon if you're there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gianmichele
> >>>>
> >>>>
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