[Bf-docboard] Keyboard shortcut convention

Thu Nov 27 14:34:20 CET 2014

That wouldn't be an issue if we use :kdb:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`+` as proposed
Bartek :)

On 27 November 2014 at 15:27, Bartek Skorupa (priv) <
bartekskorupa at bartekskorupa.com> wrote:

> I have an issue with using "+" for indicating that we click modifier key
> with a regular key..
> If we go for Ctrl+A for example, how would we handle a combination of Ctrl
> and +?
> It would look like Ctrl++?
> The workaround would of-course be using PLUS, or NUMPLUS as the name of
> the key.
>
> Bartek Skorupa
>
> www.bartekskorupa.com
>
> On 27 lis 2014, at 14:20, Greg Zaal <gregzzmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's not really a big deal I think. If nobody has any strong reason not to
> do so, I'd like to propose :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A` as the standard.
>
> I know it's a bit painful to type, but you can always set up a snippet in
> your text editor to do the hard work for you (on sublime:
> http://www.pasteall.org/55378/html4strict )
>
> And we should always use upper case (or camel case rather), as in [Ctrl] +
> [A] and not [ctrl] + [a].
>
> If it's agreed, I'll check the existing content and make it all consistent.
>
> Cheers,
> Greg
>
> On 27 November 2014 at 14:26, Piotr Arlukowicz <
> piotao at polskikursblendera.pl> wrote:
>
>> Just my two cents,
>>
>> I opt for single keys shown always in uppercase for clarity and
>> visibility.
>>
>> It is clear then:
>>
>> A is just single a.
>> Shift+A is just A with shift
>>
>> Using lowercase for 's' and uppercase 'S' for Shift-s is bad because they
>> are not visible enough. The same for u and U, z and Z, o and O, etc.
>>
>> regards
>> Piotr
>>
>>
>> Piotr
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>>
>>
>> 2014-11-27 13:12 GMT+01:00 S J Bennett <quollism at ii.net>:
>>
>>> Sorry to bikeshed but it'd be nice to have this pinned down. I don't
>>> want to have to go back and tediously re-edit something as omnipresent
>>> as hotkeys.
>>>
>>> I did a quick bit of research to see if there's any broader consensus:
>>> - Reaper uses [Ctrl]+[Alt]+Right-Click & Drag
>>>    http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Item_Editing
>>> - Houdini says [Ctrl] + [Tab] (boxed text, linking plus)
>>>    http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini13.0/basics/panes
>>> - Maya has special graphics for Alt, Shift, Space etc and also uses a
>>> linking + outside the boxes
>>>
>>> http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/GUID-C8C48B82-85C3-427E-8CE5-E99942FACE0D.htm
>>>    Maya also documents its hotkeys in plain lowercase which isn't the
>>> most readable thing
>>>
>>> http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/Transforming_objects_Move_rotate_or_scale_objects_and_components.htm
>>> - This article about Photoshop uses Shift+Alt+P and Cmd+Shift+U
>>> highlighted in bold - no spaces or boxes
>>> http://www.creativebloq.com/photoshop/photoshop-shortcuts-1012966
>>>
>>> The plus seems to be a pretty standard indication of "press all these
>>> keys at once". Unlike in :kbd:`Ctrl+A` the plus doesn't tend to appear
>>> in the box itself when there is a box. For me [Ctrl] + [A] is visually
>>> less problematic than [Ctrl+A] - it's less crammed together and more
>>> legible as a result. Separating the different keys into their boxes
>>> makes the box around [Ctrl] etc a reliable visual metaphor for a single
>>> key.
>>>
>>> What does everyone think?
>>>
>>> Also any thoughts on whether to make single keys like 'k' or 'g'
>>> uppercase or lowercase when describing them as shortcuts? The monospace
>>> font I'm seeing on my system indicates a clear difference between 1, l
>>> and I so it's really down to a question of what we prefer.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 27/11/2014 2:43 AM, Campbell Barton wrote:
>>> > I don't have really strong opinion, but prefer:
>>> >
>>> >   :kbd:`Ctrl+A`
>>> >
>>> > Its just easier to type and if you want to chain key bindings its a
>>> > bit clearer whats going on.
>>> >
>>> > eg:
>>> >   :kbd:`Ctrl+F`,  :kbd:`W`
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:38 PM, S J Bennett <quollism at ii.net> wrote:
>>> >> I dig :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`a` for simultaneous commands, :kbd:`g`
>>> :kbd:`x`
>>> >> for sequential commands and :kbd:`g` :kbd:`xx` for key-repeat
>>> sequential
>>> >> commands.
>>> >>
>>> >> I feel like LMB MMB and RMB look better as caps as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> cheers,
>>> >> Simon
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 26/11/2014 11:53 PM, Greg Zaal wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> How are we handling keyboard shortcuts with modifiers?
>>> >>
>>> >> The style guide (http://www.blender.org/documentation/style-guide)
>>> simply
>>> >> shows ":kbd:`Lmb`", but what should we do for things like Ctrl + A?
>>> >>
>>> >> Possibilities include:
>>> >>
>>> >> :kbd:`Ctrl+A`
>>> >> :kbd:`Ctrl-A`  (this is used in some places already, but it's not
>>> common to
>>> >> use '-')
>>> >> :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A`  (this is the prettiest imo)
>>> >> :kbd:`Ctrl A`
>>> >>
>>> >> What do you think?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Greg Zaal
>>> >>
>>> >>
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