<div dir="ltr">That wouldn't be an issue if we use :kdb:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`+` as proposed Bartek :)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2014 at 15:27, Bartek Skorupa (priv) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bartekskorupa@bartekskorupa.com" target="_blank">bartekskorupa@bartekskorupa.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I have an issue with using “+" for indicating that we click modifier key with a regular key..<div>If we go for Ctrl+A for example, how would we handle a combination of Ctrl and +?</div><div>It would look like Ctrl++?</div><div>The workaround would of-course be using PLUS, or NUMPLUS as the name of the key.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 27 lis 2014, at 14:20, Greg Zaal <<a href="mailto:gregzzmail@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregzzmail@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>It's not really a big deal I think. If nobody has any strong reason not to do so, I'd like to propose :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A` as the standard.<br><br></div>I know it's a bit painful to type, but you can always set up a snippet in your text editor to do the hard work for you (on sublime: <a href="http://www.pasteall.org/55378/html4strict" target="_blank">http://www.pasteall.org/55378/html4strict</a> )<br><br></div>And we should always use upper case (or camel case rather), as in [Ctrl] + [A] and not [ctrl] + [a].<br><br></div>If it's agreed, I'll check the existing content and make it all consistent.<br><br></div>Cheers,<br>Greg<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 November 2014 at 14:26, Piotr Arlukowicz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:piotao@polskikursblendera.pl" target="_blank">piotao@polskikursblendera.pl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Just my two cents,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">I opt for single keys shown always in uppercase for clarity and visibility.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)"><br>It is clear then:<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">A is just single a.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Shift+A is just A with shift<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">Using lowercase for 's' and uppercase 'S' for Shift-s is bad because they are not visible enough. The same for u and U, z and Z, o and O, etc.</div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(12,52,61)">regards<br>Piotr<br></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Piotr<br></div>Polski Kurs Blendera: <a href="http://polskikursblendera.pl/" target="_blank">http://polskikursblendera.pl</a>,<br>YT: /user/piotao?feature=guide<br></div>FB: /polskikursblendera<br></div>TW: /piotao<br><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-27 13:12 GMT+01:00 S J Bennett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quollism@ii.net" target="_blank">quollism@ii.net</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sorry to bikeshed but it'd be nice to have this pinned down. I don't<br>
want to have to go back and tediously re-edit something as omnipresent<br>
as hotkeys.<br>
<br>
I did a quick bit of research to see if there's any broader consensus:<br>
- Reaper uses [Ctrl]+[Alt]+Right-Click & Drag<br>
<a href="http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Item_Editing" target="_blank">http://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Item_Editing</a><br>
- Houdini says [Ctrl] + [Tab] (boxed text, linking plus)<br>
<a href="http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini13.0/basics/panes" target="_blank">http://www.sidefx.com/docs/houdini13.0/basics/panes</a><br>
- Maya has special graphics for Alt, Shift, Space etc and also uses a<br>
linking + outside the boxes<br>
<a href="http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/GUID-C8C48B82-85C3-427E-8CE5-E99942FACE0D.htm" target="_blank">http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/GUID-C8C48B82-85C3-427E-8CE5-E99942FACE0D.htm</a><br>
Maya also documents its hotkeys in plain lowercase which isn't the<br>
most readable thing<br>
<a href="http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/Transforming_objects_Move_rotate_or_scale_objects_and_components.htm" target="_blank">http://download.autodesk.com/global/docs/maya2014/en_us/files/Transforming_objects_Move_rotate_or_scale_objects_and_components.htm</a><br>
- This article about Photoshop uses Shift+Alt+P and Cmd+Shift+U<br>
highlighted in bold - no spaces or boxes<br>
<a href="http://www.creativebloq.com/photoshop/photoshop-shortcuts-1012966" target="_blank">http://www.creativebloq.com/photoshop/photoshop-shortcuts-1012966</a><br>
<br>
The plus seems to be a pretty standard indication of "press all these<br>
keys at once". Unlike in :kbd:`Ctrl+A` the plus doesn't tend to appear<br>
in the box itself when there is a box. For me [Ctrl] + [A] is visually<br>
less problematic than [Ctrl+A] - it's less crammed together and more<br>
legible as a result. Separating the different keys into their boxes<br>
makes the box around [Ctrl] etc a reliable visual metaphor for a single key.<br>
<br>
What does everyone think?<br>
<br>
Also any thoughts on whether to make single keys like 'k' or 'g'<br>
uppercase or lowercase when describing them as shortcuts? The monospace<br>
font I'm seeing on my system indicates a clear difference between 1, l<br>
and I so it's really down to a question of what we prefer.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Simon<br>
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On 27/11/2014 2:43 AM, Campbell Barton wrote:<br>
> I don't have really strong opinion, but prefer:<br>
><br>
> :kbd:`Ctrl+A`<br>
><br>
> Its just easier to type and if you want to chain key bindings its a<br>
> bit clearer whats going on.<br>
><br>
> eg:<br>
> :kbd:`Ctrl+F`, :kbd:`W`<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:38 PM, S J Bennett <<a href="mailto:quollism@ii.net" target="_blank">quollism@ii.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>> I dig :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`a` for simultaneous commands, :kbd:`g` :kbd:`x`<br>
>> for sequential commands and :kbd:`g` :kbd:`xx` for key-repeat sequential<br>
>> commands.<br>
>><br>
>> I feel like LMB MMB and RMB look better as caps as well.<br>
>><br>
>> cheers,<br>
>> Simon<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 26/11/2014 11:53 PM, Greg Zaal wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hey folks,<br>
>><br>
>> How are we handling keyboard shortcuts with modifiers?<br>
>><br>
>> The style guide (<a href="http://www.blender.org/documentation/style-guide" target="_blank">http://www.blender.org/documentation/style-guide</a>) simply<br>
>> shows ":kbd:`Lmb`", but what should we do for things like Ctrl + A?<br>
>><br>
>> Possibilities include:<br>
>><br>
>> :kbd:`Ctrl+A`<br>
>> :kbd:`Ctrl-A` (this is used in some places already, but it's not common to<br>
>> use '-')<br>
>> :kbd:`Ctrl` + :kbd:`A` (this is the prettiest imo)<br>
>> :kbd:`Ctrl A`<br>
>><br>
>> What do you think?<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Greg Zaal<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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