[Uni-verse] [Fwd: FW: [UNIVERSE] Collada]
Gert Svensson
gert at pdc.kth.se
Wed Oct 12 05:35:25 CEST 2005
Dear Ton,
thanks for the excellent text. I have sent it to the commission after a
slight update.
Best Regards
Gert
Ton Roosendaal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In case you didn't answer it (and Eskil is too busy), here's what I
> would write.
>
> ---------
>
> Thanks for forwarding this message to us.
>
> Several members of our Consortium are familiar with Collada. The
> original creator of this file format, Remi Arnaud, is well known in
> the 3D industry and has discussed it with Consortium partners Ton
> Roosendaal (Blender) and Eskil Steenberg (Verse) already since the
> specifications became public in 2003.
>
> Collada is a very well designed format, and a potential candidate to
> become a widely supported 3D file exchange format. Collada isn't the
> only initiative to achieve this though. Very strong competitors for
> it are for example the Web3D Consortium's X3D format, but also
> Alias's FBX.
> For 3D tools there's not much more choice now than just aiming at
> supporting all of them. All major tools in the market come with
> dozens of import/export modules for that reason.
>
> We were of course very happy with the announcement that Collada now
> is a part of the open standards as maintained by the Khronos Group.
> It is relevant that good open standards get created and maintained,
> nevertheless it's important to witness that each initiative to create
> the ultimate 3D exchange fileformat has failed the past decades.
> Specifications for 3D data just don't get easily frozen, especially
> with technology and markets evolving a lot.
>
> As a radical new approach to bypass the problematic convention and
> severe limitations of fileformats, the Uni-Verse consortium currently
> researches and validates the Verse Protocol. One of the benefits of
> using the a network based protocal is that 3D data exchange
> bottlenecks can be efficiently bypassed, in that way you could
> compare it to the benefits of using X3D, Collada or any file format
> as currently being in use. However, the very intrinsic intention of
> using Verse goes much beyond that purpose. Verse is aimed at
> connecting 3D tools, applications and modules into a real-time
> network, allowing team collaboration and efficient modular (content
> and software) development to extend and integrate functionality of
> any existing framework.
>
> We strongly believe that this is not only viable approach, but also
> very well aligned with future technology market development,
> especially in how Operating Systems will deploy applications in the
> next decade. The Uni-Verse platform might not be ready for
> yesterday's desktop system, but certainly will prove to fit in what's
> going to be next.
>
> This is a very important aspect of our project schedule, and the
> 'reason d'etre' of the Consortium itself. We can not afford to treat
> our work as if it's part of a regular commercial software product
> development cycle - aimed at feasible short term goals that should be
> profitable within a short time span - if we want to deliver something
> relevant for the European Union's market competitiveness, we have to
> make sure that what we do can be picked up by commercial developers
> during the entire second half of this decade.
> The Universities and Institutes that are part of this Consortium are
> excellently suited for that task. Our main competence is to research,
> develop and validate innovative solutions, and ensure our results are
> relevant for deployment in future commercial products as well.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --------------
>
> -Ton-
>
>
> On 5 Oct, 2005, at 15:58, Gert Svensson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> From: Konstantinos.Papanikolaou at cec.eu.int
>> Date: 5 October, 2005 15:08:18 GMT+02:00
>> To: gert at pdc.kth.se
>> Cc: peter.astheimer at ititechmedia.com, jtceligueta at ceit.es,
>> olivier.balet at c-s.fr
>> Subject: FW: [UNIVERSE] Collada
>>
>>
>> Dear Gert,
>>
>> I forward to you a message I received from Olivier Balet about the
>> project
>> COLLADA, which may overlap with the work of UNI-VERSE. Please assess
>> the
>> claim that UNI-VERSE may be rendered obsolete by this new project and
>> appraise the situation against any thoughts you may have on
>> redirecting the
>> work in UNI-VERSE. Let us know about your thoughts and intentions on
>> the
>> subject.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Kostas Papanikolaou
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BALET Olivier [mailto:olivier.balet at c-s.fr]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 2:52 PM
>> To: PAPANIKOLAOU Konstantinos (INFSO); jtceligueta at ceit.es;
>> peter.astheimer at ititechmedia.com
>> Subject: [UNIVERSE] Collada
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>> I don't know how mature Collada is but it may make UNIVERSE obsolete
>> very
>> quickly. Same subject but endorsed by all the main actors in the field.
>>
>> I hope the Universe consortium is aware of this initiative and has
>> studied
>> the added value of Universe and possible synergies, provided of
>> course that
>> Collada is not a sleeping project which has to be analysed in details.
>>
>> This also strengthens some of our comments about enlarging the scope of
>> Universe to distributed simulations too.
>>
>>
>>
>> COLLADA is a COLLAborative Design Activity for establishing an open
>> standard
>> Digital Asset schema for interactive 3D applications. COLLADA is
>> designed to
>> be the center piece of Digital Asset toolchains used by the 3D
>> interactive
>> industry.
>>
>> COLLADA is a unique oportunity for the industry actors to
>> collaborate on
>> such a design. For the first time, digital content creation (DCC) tool
>> companies such as Alias, Discreet and Softimage have collaborated on
>> data
>> interchange technology. Numerous companies have joined the effort,
>> including
>> middleware providers such as Aegia/Novodex, Criterion. game
>> developers such
>> as Backbone Entertainment , Vicarious Visions, and hardware vendors
>> such as
>> nVidia, Ati, 3Dlabs, and Sony Computer Entertainment are
>> participating in
>> this effort.
>>
>>
>> http://www.collada.org
>>
>>
>> best
>> O.
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dr Olivier Balet - Technical Director
>>
>> CS Systèmes d'Information
>> Virtual Reality Department
>> 5 Rue Brindejonc des Moulinais
>> BP 15872
>> 31506 Toulouse Cedex 5 - France
>>
>> E-mail : Olivier.Balet at c-s.fr
>> Web : http://www.c-s.fr
>> Tel : +33 (0) 561 176 528
>> Fax : +33 (0) 561 176 578
>>
>>
>>
>>
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