[Network] Ready for testing!

[Nathan Letwory]

Cross-posting in case not everybody is active on the ML yet:

Already quite good improvements, but the search listing section on the
edit profile page saves different settings than what I select.

/Nathan

On 04/08/2012, Bart Veldhuizen <bart at blendernetwork.org> wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> here's what I updated today. To streamline our communication more, Ton has
> created a maillist for us - please sign up here:
>
> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/network
>
> To send mail to the list, just mail to network at blender.org.
>
> Updates:
>
> - Completely reworked the 'Edit Profile' section, access it via the black
> menu. Please have a look!
> - Address information is no longer required for freelancers (reason: this is
> often their private address).
> - All address information is now entered in one block (--> review your
> address information!). Only 'country' is still a separate field (required
> for filtering). Regions/states will be added later.
> - 'Todo' notes are now only visible to logged in members.
> - Wrong account name sometimes appeared at the top-right. Should be fixed,
> but this one's hard to test. Please let me know.
> - Revised the Service Types list. Please let me know if I urgently need to
> add something.
> - Support for a new member type: 'Blender Community' (Reserved for special
> accounts like the BFCT).
>
>
> Also, please remember that the official launch will be on August 6, so get
> your member page ready tomorrow! Ton is going to show the site to the
> community at the Blender Birds of a Feather meeting at SIGGRAPH tomorrow,
> and I have asked him to give them the password to the site, so they can
> start exploring themselves. It'll be a kind of underground/soft launch for
> those present.
>
> In the mean time, Ton's working on an awesome press release. We have big
> plans for this SIGGRAPH and I'm hoping on a nice amount of traffic during
> the first week!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bart
>
> --
> Bart Veldhuizen
> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
>
>
> On Saturday 4 August 2012 at 11:07, Francesco Paglia wrote:
>
>> that's way better!
>> Thank you ton!
>>
>> 2012/8/4 Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org (mailto:ton at blender.org)>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've added a network at blender.org (mailto:network at blender.org) list, bart
>> > is moderator and can add members or decide how to open it up.
>> >
>> > -Ton-
>> >
>> > -------------------------
>> > Ton Roosendaal, Blender Foundation & Institute
>> > ton at blender.org (mailto:ton at blender.org)  http://www.blender.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey guys,
>> > >
>> > > this email thread is driving me slightly bonkers; it's quite hard to
>> > > manage and make sure I didn't miss anything. I don't have access to a
>> > > maillist right now (Ton is flying to LA today) - how would you feel
>> > > about using a Facebook group? Is everyone ok with that?
>> > >
>> > > Bart
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Bart Veldhuizen
>> > > Sent with Sparrow
>> > >
>> > > On Friday 3 August 2012 at 07:15, Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Yes, it'll be optional on the new form (I've only had time to update
>> > >> the Academic signup last night). For European companies, it helps to
>> > >> add their VAT number because that'll allow me to invoice them without
>> > >> VAT.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >> Sent with Sparrow
>> > >>
>> > >> On Friday 3 August 2012 at 07:12, Willem Verwey wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Mm the vat registration thing would be aproblem. In South Africa you
>> > >>> only need to be Vat registered when your turnover is make more than
>> > >>> R1 mil about 120 000 USD. Make that optional. One anyway want to put
>> > >>> that in if you have it since it does show that your company is big
>> > >>> And trustworthy.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPad
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 02 Aug 2012, at 11:37 PM, Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>> <bart at blendernetwork.org (mailto:bart at blendernetwork.org)> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Also, there's some goofy caching with the login name going on.
>> > >>>> Sometimes it'll show another name under 'Logged in as'. You can't
>> > >>>> really access their data, I'll get it fixed tomorrow.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Bart
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Bart Veldhuizen, Network Manager
>> > >>>> (t) +31 (0)6 420 67 330 (tel:%2B31%20%280%296%20420%2067%20330),
>> > >>>> (w) www.blendernetwork.org (http://www.blendernetwork.org) (Skype)
>> > >>>> bart.werk
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Op donderdag 2 augustus 2012, om 23:36 heeft Bart Veldhuizen het
>> > >>>> volgende geschreven:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hmmm, some queries are botched up there.. I'll dive in and fix
>> > >>>>> that tomorrow, thanks!
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> (oh, and the 'Lendernetwork' links have been fixed too.. That's
>> > >>>>> another project I'm working on ;-)
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Bart
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> Bart Veldhuizen, Network Manager
>> > >>>>> (t) +31 (0)6 420 67 330 (tel:%2B31%20%280%296%20420%2067%20330),
>> > >>>>> (w) www.blendernetwork.org (http://www.blendernetwork.org) (Skype)
>> > >>>>> bart.werk
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Op donderdag 2 augustus 2012, om 23:32 heeft Nathan Letwory het
>> > >>>>> volgende geschreven:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Also, it looks like SparkDE is now twice linked to Mike Pan.
>> > >>>>>> Perhaps
>> > >>>>>> the second one was supposed to be Studio Lumikuu - I see on
>> > >>>>>> SparkDE
>> > >>>>>> profile page, top part, that we are linked :)
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 03/08/2012, f.paglia.80 at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>> (mailto:f.paglia.80 at gmail.com) <f.paglia.80 at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>> (mailto:f.paglia.80 at gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> The link to the blendernetwork page in the link to profile mail
>> > >>>>>>> is broken it
>> > >>>>>>> send to lendernetwork instead Blendernetwork
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> E-Mail Sent via BlackBerry from BT Mobile
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>>> From: Nathan Letwory <jesterking at letwory.net
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jesterking at letwory.net)>
>> > >>>>>>> Sender: nathan.letwory at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:nathan.letwory at gmail.com)
>> > >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 00:10:11
>> > >>>>>>> To: CG Cookie<jonathan at cgcookie.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jonathan at cgcookie.com)>
>> > >>>>>>> Reply-To: jesterking at letwory.net
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jesterking at letwory.net)
>> > >>>>>>> Cc: Bart Veldhuizen<bart at blendernetwork.org
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:bart at blendernetwork.org)>; Willem
>> > >>>>>>> Verwey<willem at 3danim8.net (mailto:willem at 3danim8.net)>; Ton
>> > >>>>>>> Roosendaal<ton at blender.org (mailto:ton at blender.org)>; Ethan
>> > >>>>>>> Luo<congcong009 at gmail.com (mailto:congcong009 at gmail.com)>;
>> > >>>>>>> Andrew Price<andrew at blenderguru.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:andrew at blenderguru.com)>; Francesco
>> > >>>>>>> Paglia<f.paglia.80 at gmail.com (mailto:f.paglia.80 at gmail.com)>;
>> > >>>>>>> James Neale<jneale at redcartel.com.au
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jneale at redcartel.com.au)>; Daniel
>> > >>>>>>> ZanQdo Salazar<zanqdo at gmail.com (mailto:zanqdo at gmail.com)>;
>> > >>>>>>> dalai felinto<dfelinto at gmail.com (mailto:dfelinto at gmail.com)>;
>> > >>>>>>> Hjalti
>> > >>>>>>> Hjálmarsson<hjaltihjalmarsson at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:hjaltihjalmarsson at gmail.com)>; Jonathan
>> > >>>>>>> Lax<jonathan at geckoanimation.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jonathan at geckoanimation.com)>; Andrew
>> > >>>>>>> Price<redbytex at gmail.com (mailto:redbytex at gmail.com)>
>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Ready for testing!
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> After looking at the profile editing features I'd like to say
>> > >>>>>>> again
>> > >>>>>>> that I think having all those separate fields for address
>> > >>>>>>> information
>> > >>>>>>> is unnecessary. I'd put it all into one free form field. One
>> > >>>>>>> size fits
>> > >>>>>>> all... (and surely much less coding on both the HTML, JS,
>> > >>>>>>> backend and
>> > >>>>>>> simpler DB!)
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Further Edit Company Description vs Edit Company Media is a bit
>> > >>>>>>> confusing - just make it Edit Company Description in all cases.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> "Chamber of Commerce ID and VAT registration number are required
>> > >>>>>>> for
>> > >>>>>>> Corporate registrations only." I'd change that to "Chamber of
>> > >>>>>>> Commerce
>> > >>>>>>> ID or VAT registration number ... ". In Finland the VAT number
>> > >>>>>>> is also
>> > >>>>>>> the Business ID / Chamber of Commerce ID.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Nice that in the member list members with confirmed links show
>> > >>>>>>> up first :)
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> /Nathan
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 02/08/2012, CG Cookie <jonathan at cgcookie.com
>> > >>>>>>> (mailto:jonathan at cgcookie.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> That would clear up the confusion for me :)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>> Jonathan Williamson
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Instructor - http://www.blendercookie.com
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.blendercookie.com/)
>> > >>>>>>>> Personal Trainer - http://www.mavenseed.com
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.mavenseed.com/)
>> > >>>>>>>> Portfolio - http://studio.cgcookie.com
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe it should just be 'your name'?
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>>>>>>>> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thursday 2 August 2012 at 21:48, CG Cookie wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hey Bart,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> That is much, much better! My only comment would be to put
>> > >>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>> tip/helper text for "Name of Contact Person". This is not
>> > >>>>>>>>>> clear to me
>> > >>>>>>>>>> whether it's asking for the name of the person signing up or
>> > >>>>>>>>>> for some
>> > >>>>>>>>>> other contact within the university.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Williamson
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Instructor - http://www.blendercookie.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>> (http://www.blendercookie.com/)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Personal Trainer - http://www.mavenseed.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>> (http://www.mavenseed.com/)
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Portfolio - http://studio.cgcookie.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> After discussing with Ton a bit further, I've updated the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> way the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> signup works:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> - much better introduction text
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> - select an account type first, then get a more relevant
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> signup form
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> for your membership type WITH extra information
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> - document submission is no longer required, unless we don't
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> feel
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> comfortable about a registration.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> - I removed a LOT of fields from the application form, you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> can fill
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> all these in once you're logged in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Please have a look and let me know you feel about this now.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Note
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I've only implemented the 'Academic' form for now - the rest
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> follow later tonight.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blendernetwork.org/join-the-network/ (you may
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> have to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> log
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> out before you can see this)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/?sig)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday 2 August 2012 at 17:14, Willem Verwey wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ton just put it nicely in a nutshell. Thanks Ton.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Willem
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ton Roosendaal [mailto:ton at blender.org]
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 2:56 PM
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Ethan Luo; Andrew Price; Willem Verwey; Francesco
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Paglia;
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> CGCookie; James Neale; Daniel ZanQdo Salazar; dalai
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> felinto;
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hjalti
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hjálmarsson; Jonathan Lax; Andrew Price; nathan letwory
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Ready for testing!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the considerations, we can certainly make
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> registration
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> smoother and friendly. For me, the most important aspect
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> why I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> insisted on a minimal authorization level is:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - It is a crucial succes factor for this initiative to only
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> accept
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> serious professionals.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blender still has a public image as amateuristic and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wannabes. The
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blender Network should be from day one a big step away from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> amateurism. This is a serious initiative! We list current &
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> active
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> professionals and studios, not people who want to become
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that one
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> day.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I also would consider it very bad if we accept anyone to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Corporate membership. That would degrade the value of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> membership
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> *real* studios like Spark or Redcartel - for example.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> An authorization doesn't have to mean to give up privacy
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> data to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Bart (like passports or so). It can also be a simple
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> factual list
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aspects we expect a member to comply to. That is - for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> example:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Academic:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - The person who applies uses the college/universitey
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> email
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> address
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> and has an official position.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (students cannot apply)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Member has web page outlining courses or projects related
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blender
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - web page has name(s) and contact details related to the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> above
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Freelancer:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Only real names are being listed, no nicks
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Freelancer has to be available for work, right now and in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> near
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (no check, but we ask to confirm that)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - He/she provides a Blender related porfolio website
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - He/she provides ( apart from an email address) one other
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> contact
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> means to the network.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (an address, or phone, or skype). This might get verified.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (If
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> this
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> fails, you can lose membership)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Corporate
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - only accepted if you have an own website url
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - website should list company registration and contact
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> information
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (on a level legally required by your country.)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - only people who can legally sign can apply for member
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (like for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> big companies)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Member provides ( apart from an email address) one other
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> contact
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> means to the network.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (an address, or phone, or skype). This might get verified.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (If
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> this
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> fails, you can lose membership)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Or in general: the data a member provides for the network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> should
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> possible to verify, in one way or another. Bart doesn't
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> check all of this, but if in doubt - or when complaints are
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> coming
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> in - it can be a reason to remove members.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -Ton-
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation ton at blender.org
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:ton at blender.org)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:ton at blender.org) www.blender.org
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.blender.org) (http://www.blender.org)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2 Aug, 2012, at 5:39, Willem Verwey wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good point. However to review the initial applications one
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> will maybe bite you in the ass. What you going to do if
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000 plus applications a day (unlikely). Besides one can
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a company is registered. Free lancers might not even have
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> company. From experience to review BFCT applications that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> take sometimes up to 30 min. Then there is the language
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> issue.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What you going to to if the applicants website is all in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> language you cannot understand.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok sure online translation would help. But that all will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> add to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the time and frustration to review an application.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> With linked in and Facebook to join is free. Event for a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> free
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> service these services is used by employing agencies to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> filter
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> applications.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well so one could also do that. But still more time is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> added.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Manual reviewing would not work, accept if its quick. Like
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> see with whois when a website is created, is the email
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> valid.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> with smart programing one could automate these systems in
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To make things not available for the free guys like to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> view
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> certain content only if you pay is ok.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Animation SA one can only place adverts for vacancies
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> pay. Sothat point is valid.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Willem
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02 Aug 2012, at 4:58 AM, Ethan Luo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <congcong009 at gmail.com (mailto:congcong009 at gmail.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:congcong009 at gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about let's put all the sign up into two checkbox.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1, Normal user(academical) who can only view the profile
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> network member's page and leave message or vote their
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2, Member user(pay) who can publish the page and show
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reel.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So in this case, the sign up page could be really simple
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just user type/username/password/email box. And once
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> finish
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sign up form, he will get a confirm email from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> network
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and active it by link click.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For normal user he will only need to fill profile and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation partners for him to review and connect to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> friends. I think the recommendation could base on IP
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> location
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the user, that would be interesting to know who
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> network beside you (social network right)?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And coming to member user, he may need to choose further
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> type such as freelancer/company and upload the document
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> online.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that the phone call/scan pdf/recommendation from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> member will be necessary to do the background check.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I may agree that for the first release after
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siggraph
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting, you can close member verify for few weeks to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> check
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> website first. All the signup users will be considered
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> user to just view the page. The user who choose to be a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will leave a pending status in their verify staging until
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have sufficient time to check them after finish the site
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features. And only trusted recommendation/reference
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> member
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> community will be approved to open their member page for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> early time which may share your workload. There's really
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurry to put everything online in such a short time.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 罗聪翼/Ethan Luo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> M: (86)139-8210-2445(GMT+8)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @congcong009 #twitter/facebook/新浪围脖
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlenderCN中文社区(www.blendercn.org
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://www.blendercn.org) (http://www.blendercn.org))
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Andrew Price
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <redbytex at gmail.com (mailto:redbytex at gmail.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:redbytex at gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah I agree with Willem.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unlikely that someone would pay $250 to go in and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spam
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone. If he's forking over cash to be part of the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> website
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then you can be pretty sure he's serious.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would guess that 99.99% of users will be genuine
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people. The
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> others you can hand pick and remove (just like when
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts a spammy comment on BN).
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't make much sense to force everyone through a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rigorous
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reviewing process for that one guy who might be dodgy. If
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> add a "report user" button then the community will do
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the heavy lifting for you.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, it'll save you hours in future reviewing processes
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/08/2012, at 5:53 AM, "Willem Verwey"
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <willem at 3danim8.net (mailto:willem at 3danim8.net)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:willem at 3danim8.net)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point but also remember that not
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has domains use that domain email address. Well at
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in South Africa. Don’t know why.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the references. Yea that can work.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the Company thing. Yes is someone pays it
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly be more secure and that people will be
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> honest.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email Check will be a valid point here also the website.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bu
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also referances will be cool here, But I would say not
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worry to mush about it. Remember for a company the reg
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fee
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 250 Euro. That is a lot of money in most countries. So
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that will sort it out.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope my comments help
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Willem
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mike Pan [mailto:mike.c.pan at gmail.com]
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 10:16 PM
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Mike Pan
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Bart Veldhuizen; Andrew Price; Francesco Paglia; CG
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cookie; Ethan Luo; James Neale; Daniel ZanQdo Salazar;
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dalai
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felinto; hjaltihjalmarsson at gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:hjaltihjalmarsson at gmail.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:hjaltihjalmarsson at gmail.com);
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonathan at geckoanimation.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:jonathan at geckoanimation.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:jonathan at geckoanimation.com);
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jesterking at letwory.net (mailto:jesterking at letwory.net)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:jesterking at letwory.net); willem at 3danim8.net
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:willem at 3danim8.net)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:willem at 3danim8.net); Ton Roosendaal
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Ready for testing!
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Jonathan Williamson's suggestion on using the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a validation mechanism is worth considering also.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have a member linking functionality, the work
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much done. As a potential employer, i'd rather
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hire
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone who has 10+ 'links' attached to their name,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than someone who is 'verified' to own a company. Where
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's free to register for a business number (TAX
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number),
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a mere $30USD to register for a company name.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mike
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-08-01, at 1:16 PM, Mike Pan
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mike.c.pan at gmail.com (mailto:mike.c.pan at gmail.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:mike.c.pan at gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about email domain verification? So If you say are
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pixar, we'll need a @pixar.com (http://pixar.com)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://pixar.com) email
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> address. It will still require some human intervention
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart(unless you have a big list all trusted companies
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their email domains), but should be much less work for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-08-01, at 12:36 PM, Bart Veldhuizen
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bart at blendernetwork.org
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:bart at blendernetwork.org)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mailto:bart at blendernetwork.org)>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Andrew,
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a side note I know that some level of security is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important, but why is it so thorough in this
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope that doesn't sound naive. I only ask because
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally only sent proof of identity documents for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large corporations like banks and government
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the cons of eliminating the proofing
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (copied in Ton)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I had a few discussions about that with Ton.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro: less chance of fraud, and we're certain that
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a *real* business. For larger companies, we may
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be sure people are entitled to registering their
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, but I may be able to solve by adding a
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checkbox
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the signup page?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Con: confusing (I see that now), complicated (how do
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check a company in South Tibet?), time consuming, I
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wonder
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if I'd actually want to go through all these hoops
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (for a startup website).
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd guess that if someone pays €50 or €250, chances
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're serious. Academic/non-profit use is another
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess - I'd still like to know that someone
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents a school or department.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about this as a proposed signup process:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Signup, account gets activated immediately.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. You can edit your profile and view it. The profile
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes a clear message stating that the account is
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pending review and/or payment, plus a link to more
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Other people cannot see your profile while it's
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pending.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Once your account has been reviewed and membership
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fee
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid, it becomes public.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better/easier/more fun?
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bart
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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