[Bf-webcontent] Re: Menu nearly done

[Johannes Langlotz]

Hi Bart (DE) or Aeggy,

Thanks for these links. very Interesting! The scaling images a really 
nice indeed. This would be really nice for b3d! But is it possible to 
scale background images??? This is really user friendly especially for 
handicapped people!

Johannes



Bart schrieb:
> 
> Using lists for menus are correct, nasting lists in lists is correct 
> too.The problem about scaling fonts could be totally fixed making menus 
> and object and the complete website using em and percent:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/elastic/
> http://www.htmldog.com/articles/elasticdesign/demo/
> 
> That's really awesome and really user friendly. As you can see at the 
> demo images can be scaled too. For another project i programmed a 
> complete user interface of an web application in this method and it 
> really rocks!
> 
> When all technical issues of the menu are gone i will start with that.
> 
> PS: About the B at rt and Bart problem: i used the nick years over years 
> but B at rt has Bart as its real name so call me Aeggy (a special version 
> from Ecki that was invented from my brother).
> 
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> 
>> Hi Johannes,
>>
>> when talking to our designers at work, I learned that semantically, a 
>> menu is nothing more than a list. So from the point of view of 
>> describing only content in your xhtml file this seems to make a lot of 
>> sense. Nesting lists inside each other is valid in this context I 
>> believe. However, you are right about the font issue.
>>
>> Still, I'm not a designer - just a webmonkey who sometimes hears cool 
>> things at work ;-) I wonder how Bart (we NEED to differentiate our 
>> names here! ;-) and Chris feel about this? Nothing wrong with a nice 
>> bit of discussion!
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Op 24-feb-05 om 21:22 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> OK, now I will tattle a bit ;-) . I like standards very much. BUT to 
>>> make this kind of menu (with pulldown menus) with lists makes it only 
>>> complicated. And you are using several lists not only one like it 
>>> should be. Besides you have to work with much fixed sizes and 
>>> absolute positioning (e.g. for menu entries). And in course of that, 
>>> it chops the menu if a user has a larger default font size. I don't 
>>> want to run down your work (bart and bart)! In my opinion it should 
>>> be as simple as possible in course of the variety of browsers and 
>>> rendering engines.
>>>
>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/mainmenu.js
>>>
>>> This is all JS I use for a text based menu. No need for if(IE) 
>>> elseif(NN)... And that's why it works on every browser which I was 
>>> able to test.
>>>
>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/index.html
>>>
>>> I hate that every browser has its pros and cons (especially IE has 
>>> cons ;-) ) but that's why it should be simple.
>>>
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>> I checked and it's not the javascript file, but there's something in 
>>>> the header image that causes IE5/Mac to crash. Not sure what it is 
>>>> yet... Anyway, when I remove the header graphic everything is ok.
>>>> Some more observations: In IE5/Mac there's a lot of flashing; it 
>>>> would seem that there are some conflicting color definitions. In 
>>>> E5.5/Win2K there's a strange effect around the mousecursor: move the 
>>>> mouse over the menu and into the dropdown. Move it around quickly 
>>>> and you will see a 'square' around the cursor.
>>>> Bart
>>>> Op 24-feb-05 om 10:14 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>>
>>>>> no problem adding the font definitions. Tested my menu under Opera 
>>>>> 7.5 on Windows and it works perfect on IE 5 too. Will test it on my 
>>>>> mac later this day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>>> it works like a charm in Firefox and Opera on Mac. It *completely* 
>>>>>> crashes IE5 on my Mac though. I have tracked it down to the 
>>>>>> javascript that sets the onMouseOver events; I'll look into that 
>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>> Johannes has also started fiddling with the menu; he kind of 
>>>>>> missed the point of building an xhtml/css menu though. One thing 
>>>>>> that I do like about his version is the fonts: they are a bit more 
>>>>>> readable and more like the current menu. Could you copy the font 
>>>>>> definition into your version?
>>>>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>> Op 24-feb-05 om 0:38 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bart,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here is a clean version of the menu working fine in FireFox and 
>>>>>>> IE 6. Not tested with IE 5 on Win and Mac. There is a problem now 
>>>>>>> with Opera 7.20 it doesn't show the dropdown.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problems where like ever located in the different 
>>>>>>> interpretation of the CSS box model, that IE does only accept 
>>>>>>> hover styles with a tag and the different interpretation of css 
>>>>>>> command text-align.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can test it on safari i can give it a try on IE 5 on mac 
>>>>>>> and win. Of course i will find the opera bug. For that i can test 
>>>>>>> it on Opera 7.5 too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put it here too:
>>>>>>> http://www.neeneenee.de/blender/org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm on it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> |\/\/\/|
>>>>>>> |      |
>>>>>>> | (O)(O)        Bart.
>>>>>>> C      _)       bart at neeneenee.de
>>>>>>> |   ,_/
>>>>>>> |   /    - Ich bin nicht berechtigt Aushilfslehrer zu feuern -
>>>>>>> /   \
>>>>>>>                 http://www.neeneenee.de
>>>>>>> <org.zip>
>>>>
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