[Bf-webcontent] Re: Menu nearly done

[Bart Veldhuizen]

Hi Johannes,

when talking to our designers at work, I learned that semantically, a 
menu is nothing more than a list. So from the point of view of 
describing only content in your xhtml file this seems to make a lot of 
sense. Nesting lists inside each other is valid in this context I 
believe. However, you are right about the font issue.

Still, I'm not a designer - just a webmonkey who sometimes hears cool 
things at work ;-) I wonder how Bart (we NEED to differentiate our 
names here! ;-) and Chris feel about this? Nothing wrong with a nice 
bit of discussion!

Bart

Op 24-feb-05 om 21:22 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

> OK, now I will tattle a bit ;-) . I like standards very much. BUT to 
> make this kind of menu (with pulldown menus) with lists makes it only 
> complicated. And you are using several lists not only one like it 
> should be. Besides you have to work with much fixed sizes and absolute 
> positioning (e.g. for menu entries). And in course of that, it chops 
> the menu if a user has a larger default font size. I don't want to run 
> down your work (bart and bart)! In my opinion it should be as simple 
> as possible in course of the variety of browsers and rendering 
> engines.
>
> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/mainmenu.js
>
> This is all JS I use for a text based menu. No need for if(IE) 
> elseif(NN)... And that's why it works on every browser which I was 
> able to test.
>
> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/index.html
>
> I hate that every browser has its pros and cons (especially IE has 
> cons ;-) ) but that's why it should be simple.
>
>
> Johannes
>
>
>
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>> Hi Bart,
>> I checked and it's not the javascript file, but there's something in 
>> the header image that causes IE5/Mac to crash. Not sure what it is 
>> yet... Anyway, when I remove the header graphic everything is ok.
>> Some more observations: In IE5/Mac there's a lot of flashing; it 
>> would seem that there are some conflicting color definitions. In 
>> E5.5/Win2K there's a strange effect around the mousecursor: move the 
>> mouse over the menu and into the dropdown. Move it around quickly and 
>> you will see a 'square' around the cursor.
>> Bart
>> Op 24-feb-05 om 10:14 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>> Hi Bart,
>>>
>>> no problem adding the font definitions. Tested my menu under Opera 
>>> 7.5 on Windows and it works perfect on IE 5 too. Will test it on my 
>>> mac later this day.
>>>
>>> Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>> it works like a charm in Firefox and Opera on Mac. It *completely* 
>>>> crashes IE5 on my Mac though. I have tracked it down to the 
>>>> javascript that sets the onMouseOver events; I'll look into that 
>>>> tonight.
>>>> Johannes has also started fiddling with the menu; he kind of missed 
>>>> the point of building an xhtml/css menu though. One thing that I do 
>>>> like about his version is the fonts: they are a bit more readable 
>>>> and more like the current menu. Could you copy the font definition 
>>>> into your version?
>>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bart
>>>> Op 24-feb-05 om 0:38 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Bart,
>>>>>
>>>>> here is a clean version of the menu working fine in FireFox and IE 
>>>>> 6. Not tested with IE 5 on Win and Mac. There is a problem now 
>>>>> with Opera 7.20 it doesn't show the dropdown.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problems where like ever located in the different 
>>>>> interpretation of the CSS box model, that IE does only accept 
>>>>> hover styles with a tag and the different interpretation of css 
>>>>> command text-align.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can test it on safari i can give it a try on IE 5 on mac 
>>>>> and win. Of course i will find the opera bug. For that i can test 
>>>>> it on Opera 7.5 too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put it here too:
>>>>> http://www.neeneenee.de/blender/org/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on it!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> |\/\/\/|
>>>>> |      |
>>>>> | (O)(O)        Bart.
>>>>> C      _)       bart at neeneenee.de
>>>>> |   ,_/
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