[Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.

Wed Jun 17 21:00:38 CEST 2009

>From Nathan:
> IMO the materials and textures library views you have there
> shouldn't be in the material buttons, but rather should be some kind
> of separate generic data-browse window type.

That's interesting. A generic library with different kinds of elements
from the scene.

I guess it could feet well with this Materials Editor proposal. For
instance, materials and textures assignment would be pretty much
the same. The only thing I'm not sure if would be as clear for users
is the non-assigned materials/textures editing.
With an integrated library seems more obvious that when clicking
a non-assigned texture or material, its settings will appear in the
Materials Editor's settings region.
Having them in a separate editor, may not be as obvious.
(I see the good point of having something generic).

>At the moment 2.5 doesn't have integration with any external renderers
>anyway, but even if it did then IMO the material panel should simply
>reflect the currently selected renderer.

About tabs for render engine, I saw them as a quick way to toggle
between different engines, having them at hand always, and for
comparison reasons, either by clicking each tab to compare results
or by something like this:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/61/comparingenginesresults.png

Maybe for the libraries' thumbnails it would be good to show them
according to the currently selected render engine. Or something inside
the Libraries that lets users toggle between them easily.

Cheers,

Eclectiel.

>----- Original Message ----
>From: Nathan Vegdahl <cessen at cessen.com>
>To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
>Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:13:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.
>
>
    IMO the materials and textures library views you have there
>shouldn't be in the material buttons, but rather should be some kind
>of separate generic data-browse window type.  Then the user could
>filter to see only materials or textures if they so desired.  In this
>way the user can use the same interface for all kinds of data
>management and browsing, rather than having similar interfaces
>duplicated all over the place.
>
>   I'm not keen on the tabs for the different renderers.  At the
>moment 2.5 doesn't have integration with any external renderers
>anyway, but even if it did then IMO the material panel should simply
>reflect the currently selected renderer.
>
>    I do like the idea of actually being able to see at-a-glance all
>materials used on a single object.  That would be very useful.
>
>--Nathan V
>
>On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Eclectiel L<eclect25 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >From Mirai Warren:
>>> As I understand it, your additions--besides the what is in the
>>> current panel--can be collapsed/hidden?
>>
>> Yes, the idea would be to be able to arrange the layout in different ways.
>> Here is a PDF with some examples:
>> http://www.4shared.com/get/111981231/592e752e/materials_area_V2_different_layouts.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Eclectiel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Mirai Warren <the.future.comes.mw at gmail.com>
>>To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:57:43 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.
>>
>>
> I like this a lot and could definitely see using it.  As I understand
>>it, your additions--besides the what is in the current panel--can be
>>collapsed/hidden?
>>
>>On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Eclectiel L<eclect25 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> PDF version of the last one with the adjustments:
>>> http://www.4shared.com/get/111622700/aa9cd10a/materials_area_V2_adjustments.html
>>>
>>> (If it has any problem let me know.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Eclectiel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
>>> To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:39:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Eclectiel L<eclect25 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No problem, next time I'll try a PDF, or divide it into smaller pages.
>>>>
>>>> Eclectiel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:50:20 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.
>>>>
>>>>>Can you split it into pages, or better yet make a PDF?
>>>>>
>>>>>Joe
>>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Eclectiel L<eclect25 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Some adjustments to the proposed Materials/Textures workflow to
>>>> make it more clear and straightforward. Solving some problems
>>>> in the previous proposal:
>>>> http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4328/materialsareav2adjustme.png
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Eclectiel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>>>From: Eclectiel L <eclect25 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: bf-taskforce25 at blender.org
>>>>>Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 4:01:35 PM
>>>>>Subject: [Bf-taskforce25] Materials and Textures management.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From Brecht:
>>>>>> Though some things do definitely require an extra level in the
>>>>>> hierarchy, in particular materials, textures, bones and particle
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>....
>>>>>> It would be interesting to see mockups for these cases too
>>>>>> (supporting unlimited number of materials/textures, even though they are
>>>>>> limited now, this is likely to change).
>>>>>....
>>>>>
>>>>>Made an attempt for Materials and Textures management. Here
>>>>>are some mockups:
>>>>>
>>>>>Page 1:
>>>>>http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1619/materialsareav2page1.png
>>>>>
>>>>>Page 2:
>>>>>http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/546/materialsareav2page2.png
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I see materials and textures as something separated from
>>>>>objects, they are there either they are assigned to an object or not, that's
>>>>>one of the reasons why I chose a separate area, while keeping in the
>>>>>Properties editor the relationship between materials and the materials IDs of
>>>>>the selected object. And also the Properties editor started to need room for
>>>>>what I wanted to achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>Even though the mockups are themed similar to the actual 2.5 look,
>>>>>this proposal is mostly intended to show functionality, not much
>>>>>the final aspect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>Eclectiel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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