[Bf-taskforce25] Widget Colouring Suggestion
Brian Staub
brian.staub at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 8 16:25:18 CEST 2009
no problem =)
i like Matt and William's idea very much, but think the icons are a bit far from their properties in the mockup, and the greyed key icon might be misconstrued as "not animated", but perfect aside from that. i was focused on color that i didn't even think about not having color, and it took somebody else to suggest different icons before i tried that.
cheerios
brian
>From: Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org>
>To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:41:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Widget Colouring Suggestion
>Hi Brian,
Thanks for all suggestions!
The widget drawing system I made is still a bit WIP messy, but will be
clean enough later for everyone to experiment with as well. Color
encoding, additional shape hints, etc are all features a theme setting
can provide.
For the moment it's more pragmatic to not implement all ideas at once,
that's why I'll stick for a while with what Matt & William agree on. We
need a working 2.5 first. :)
-Ton-
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Blender Institute BV Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands
On 7 Apr, 2009, at 18:16, Brian Staub wrote:
> here's exclamation marks instead of the smiley icon for the Expression
> Keys...
>
> http://invertednormal.wordpress.com/files/2009/04/widgetcolors04.png
>
>
> From: Shaul Kedem <shaul.kedem at gmail.com>
> To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 8:21:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Widget Colouring Suggestion
>
> >A functional note: if we have this little emblems on the top we can
> >use them as levers for sliders, and so, if someone press and drag them
> >right they increment in small amount and if dragged to the left they
> >decrement in small amount. we can even increment in larger numbers if
> >the emblem is dragged further to the right or decrement more if
> >dragged more to the left.
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:29 AM, Brian Staub <brian.staub at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > for the color blind...
> >
> > http://invertednormal.wordpress.com/files/2009/04/widgetcolors03.png
> >
> > From: Rob Cozzens <robcozzens at gmail.com>
> > To: The Blender 2.5 TaskForce <bf-taskforce25 at blender.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 11:54:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-taskforce25] Widget Colouring Suggestion
> >
> > One point about color coding this keying info... it makes it less
> useful for
> > people with certain types of color-blindness. I think version #5 has
> the
> > most promise, because it could be a theme option to have a different
> symbol
> > in those badges in addition to/instead of color.
> > I guess as long as the colors are changeable, any of those versions
> could
> > be usable for the color-blind with some tweaking.
> > -Rob
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Brian Staub <brian.staub at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> mmm k... grrrr.... sorry again. let's try this one more time.
> this link
> >> should work =/
> >>
> >>
> http://invertednormal.wordpress.com/files/2009/04/widgetcolors013.png
> >>
> >>
> >> > Ton Roosendaal wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > These special state-widgets, just like text outside buttons, work
> >> > nicely in layouts that are strictly displayed as a list
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Such features can be part of "Style" definitions, so it can be
> added
> >> > where appropriate.
> >> >
> >> > Further there's plenty of subtle ways to explore; here's a quicky
> I
> >> > did, the button outline code is a quad strip, so can be any width;
> >> > http://download.blender.org/institute/rt.jpg
> >> > Or just color items in button:
> >> > http://download.blender.org/institute/rt2.jpg
> >> >
> >> > Still; a problem with color coding remains that you have drop
> (part of)
> >> > the freedom to assign colors to visualize widget types. Color
> encoding
> >> > is very limited and with more than just a few colors it starts
> looking
> >> > messy and loses meaning.
> >> >
> >> > -Ton-
> >> >
> >> >
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> >> > Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation ton at blender.org
> www.blender.org
> >> > Blender Institute BV Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The
> Netherlands
> >> >
> >> > On 5 Apr, 2009, at 21:03, William Reynish wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5 Apr, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > This is of course a temporary situation. We're experimenting with
> it.
> >> > :)
> >> >
> >> > The basic idea remains that widget coloring will be derived from
> a set
> >> > of theme colors you've defined yourself, visualizing widget
> >> > functionality or widget types, and matching the overal looks you
> want.
> >> >
> >> > We will also check smaller and more subtle ways to show animated
> >> > variables. We could make the layout engine add space for a small
> >> > icon/button, allowing standard input methods to edit it, and
> visualize
> >> > whether the variable has a function curve, is being driven, or
> >> > controlled by expression, and allowing a way to make a function
> curve
> >> > editor to show the curve/driver.
> >> >
> >> > One thing is quite cool of the current flashy coloring though;
> it's
> >> > totally clear and obvious for debugging purposes. Might be worth
> >> > putting a theme option in Blender that does it, so you can
> optionally
> >> > switch to it on a simple command, and back. :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have to find a balance where this information is as clear as
> >> > possible, yet not totally distracting. Current solution isn't
> too bad
> >> > I don't think - like you say it's obvious, yet non-intrusive
> whenever
> >> > that information is not needed or not focused on - buttons that
> are
> >> > not animated keep looking normal. However, I appreciate that
> >> > there definitely are other solutions and it'd be nice if anyone
> with
> >> > other ideas could scribble them down and preferably do some visual
> >> > mockups of buttons in animated/expression/keyframe/driven states.
> >> >
> >> > The problems with having a separate icon for animation states
> >> > are twofold: first, you have to create a visual connection
> between it
> >> > and the 'parent' widget, and second, you have much more clutter
> and
> >> > information in the users face. These special state-widgets, just
> like
> >> > text outside buttons, work nicely in layouts that are strictly
> >> > displayed as a list - a la Apple Motion, XSI, etc, but probably
> not so
> >> > much in Blender where buttons layouts so far are a lot more
> varied.
> >> >
> >> > -William
> >> >
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