[Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active

[Bassam Kurdali]

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> > But I don't follow on confirmation of transforming.
> >
> > That would mean that everytime you make a change ,something flashes. That
> > gets old and annoying really quickly,I think.
just to clarify: wire/outline color *already* changes on transform - in
many themes it turns white. What I'm suggesting is to change it to a
*different* color as a subtle reminder that a keyframe will be layed
down if you have autokeying on - such as red.
I actually would recommend paring this with another suggestion, such as
a notification of keyframes inserted after the transform is confirmed
(similar to the keying set confirmation notification)

> >
> >
> >
> > At the most you could briefly make the cursor have a blinking effect,but
> > I'm not sold by this last idea.
> >
> >
> > Unless I interpreted it wrong?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: bassam at urchn.org
> > > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
> > > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:17:54 -0400
> > > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active
> > >
> > > yeah, that would work... unless you wanted to use it later for something
> > > else!
> > > some suggestion:
> > >
> > > -different theme color for 'transform'. right now, wireframe/border goes
> > > white when transforming, this could maybe turn red or some other color
> > > to alert instead.
> > >
> > > the following suggestion have two possibilities: always-on or just
> > > during transform:
> > >
> > > -3d view red rectangle border
> > > -red record icon
> > > -record text
> > > -combination of any of the above
> > > -background color of 3d view
> > >
> > > final suggestion warnings that happen after the transformation has been
> > > confirmed:
> > >
> > > -a color change on transform confirmation: any of the above suggestions
> > > or even briefly flashing red the background before going back to normal.
> > >
> > > -an alert telling that keyframes have been inserted (similar to what
> > > happens after pressing i key on a keying set)
> > >
> > > restatement of problem that led me to the above suggestions:
> > >
> > > sometimes when autokey is on we forget and transform create keyframes or
> > > changing them when that was not desired. a notification of some sort in
> > > the 3d view that is obvious can either prevent this, or at least help
> > > alert that it has happened so an undo is instantly possible.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 10:49 +1000, Campbell Barton wrote:
> > > > Just a note to say Im happy to add some functionality similar to whats
> > > > been suggested - but also am not totally convinced a `good enough`
> > > > solution has been suggested yet.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe add a record icon in 3d view would be enough (top right? - that
> > > > corner is free).
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Matjaz Lamut <matjaz.lamut at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Ah yes, completely forgot about the 3d view, where most (all?) of the
> > > > > recorded transforms happen. In this case my proposal doesn't really
> > work.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Matjaž
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Pietro Grandi
> > > > > <pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I agree, for my experience the main problems find themselves within
> > 3D
> > > > >> View.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Bassam Kurdali <bassam at urchn.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > it's not a terrible idea, but there is one flaw in it:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > the problem with autokey left on by accident isn't a problem in
> > any of
> > > > >> > the time-based views. You may not even have these visible. It
> > *is* a
> > > > >> > problem in the 3D View - at least the way most people use it, as
> > > > >> > transforming objects in the 3D view is what generates the
> > automatic
> > > > >> > keyframe.
> > > > >> > therefore any warning sign should be in the 3d view, otherwise it
> > can be
> > > > >> > totally missed.
> > > > >> > A red (or otherwise themable) frame around the 3d view to my mind
> > would
> > > > >> > be the least obtrusive, but still visible enough to prevent
> > accidental
> > > > >> > keying.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > anyway, this is all academic unless somebody decides to code it :)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:42 +0200, Matjaz Lamut wrote:
> > > > >> > > Hello,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The most elegant solution would be to colour the frame cursor
> > when
> > > > >> > > recording is enabled.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > - It's the one UI element that appears in all time-related
> > editors.
> > > > >> > > - It's also a prominent (visible) UI element in said editors.
> > > > >> > > - Frame cursor tells from the start that the colour change has
> > to do
> > > > >> > > something with animation even for unfamiliar users (rather than
> > > > >> possibly
> > > > >> > > giving the false impression of an error in an editor with a red
> > line
> > > > >> > around)
> > > > >> > > - The rest of the interface can stay nice, calm grey (or
> > whichever
> > > > >> colour
> > > > >> > > one is using)
> > > > >> > > - Very simple :)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > See screenshots for the proposal.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOff.png
> > > > >> > >
> > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOn.png
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Regards,
> > > > >> > > Matjaž Lamut
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:11 PM, <lemo_net at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > I agree. I got a lot of trouble with animators letting auto
> > key on.
> > > > >> > > > A red time line could be cool.
> > > > >> > > > Bertrand
> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > > > From: Bassam Kurdali <bassam at urchn.org>
> > > > >> > > > Sender: bf-funboard-bounces at blender.org
> > > > >> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:06:24
> > > > >> > > > To: <bf-funboard at blender.org>
> > > > >> > > > Reply-To: bassam at urchn.org, bf-funboard at blender.org
> > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > fwiw this comes up when working on group projects; jumping
> > into a
> > > > >> file
> > > > >> > > > where someone has left autokeying on, and getting surprised
> > by it.
> > > > >> > > >  a red border around the viewport doesn't seem like a terrible
> > > > >> solution
> > > > >> > > > - even a thin, non annoying one would be noticable. And it
> > fits with
> > > > >> > > > e.g. changing the border around the camera when we have
> > locked camera
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > > view.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > So I think this is a reasonable suggestion. with colored
> > border
> > > > >> around
> > > > >> > > > the viewport seeming like a best option.
> > > > >> > > > or... we could modify dr. epilepsy(1) to turn on when autokey
> > is
> > > > >> > > > depressed.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > (1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WGQ6_T6HRA
> > > > >> > > > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 18:19 +0200, Bol Bib wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > I second this request,would be very useful to have some
> > kind of
> > > > >> > (color?)
> > > > >> > > > indicator,prefarably in  or around  the viewport,since the
> > timeline
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > not
> > > > >> > > > always around.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > -some ways: border around viewport
> > > > >> > > > > -blinking record button (might be too intrusive tho)
> > > > >> > > > > -other..?
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:37:13 +0200
> > > > >> > > > > > From: pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > > > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
> > > > >> > > > > > Subject: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Hi there,
> > > > >> > > > > > this is my first post. I'm Pietro Grandi, italian 3D
> > artist and
> > > > >> > happy
> > > > >> > > > > > blender user!
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > I wish to suggest a feature: sometimes I forget the "auto
> > > > >> keyframe"
> > > > >> > > > toggle
> > > > >> > > > > > on and I continue with my work... the result is that I
> > come with
> > > > >> > lot of
> > > > >> > > > > > keyframes that I have to remove manually. Could we have a
> > > > >> warning,
> > > > >> > > > like a
> > > > >> > > > > > red bar or something like this?
> > > > >> > > > > > I mean something similar to 3D Studio max, where in 'auto
> > > > >> keyframe
> > > > >> > > > mode'
> > > > >> > > > > > you can see lot of red everywhere.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > This can sound stupid, maybe, but I think that could be
> > useful.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > >> > > > > > Pietro
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