[Bf-funboard] a call for sanity when it comes to simply selecting something...

[Paweł Łyczkowski]

I'm a long time Blender user and I agree with the need of the LMB-select 
and RMB-options standard.

But you got me courious about "different buttons are used to select in
different interfaces" - when setting LMB as select, where is RMB used as 
a select? I can think only of the timeline, where you choose active 
frame with RMB, anywhere else?

PLyczkowski

W dniu 03-06-2012 13:50, jin choung pisze:
> (this is a repost from blendernation and they referred me here and try to
> get the ear of Nathan Vegdahl)
>
> howdy,as a professional cg generalist using maya, zbrush and lightwave and
> a big fan and cheerleader for blender, i try to get into blender every now
> and again - usually when i'm wooed by new, simply ridiculously advanced
> features that not even the most expensive apps have yet.
>
> but almost every time, i get repulsed at the lowest possible level - the
> user mousing interface.
>
> in particular, the fact that different buttons are used to select in
> different interfaces.
>
> WHY? for the love of god, why?
>
> because of this, even selecting LMB select ends up simply FLIPPING selects
> in different contexts so that if it was LMB select in a context, it becomes
> RMB after i've chosen LMB SELECT in the preferences.
>
> this even happens with lasso select. for some unfathomable reason, for
> lasso select, it uses the NON SELECT button with CTRL. again, the mind
> boggles... why would you do that???
>
> it is JUST SELECTING... an object, a vert, a node, a graph spline... WHY
> jump from one button to another???
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> another issue is that sometimes, RMB is used to CANCEL operations.... but
> if RMB is by default for click selecting (an "AFFIRMATIVE" operation), it
> is just illogical to assign it a "NEGATION" operation too....
>
> i desperately desperately want to use blender in my day to day work. but it
> makes even simple selection a memory game that i can't afford to play when
> i just need to jump in and work and jump back and forth between different
> apps.
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> INTERFACE PROPOSAL
>
> (and please people, chime in if you don't think this is sensible)
>
> 1. ONE MOUSE BUTTON is used to select in ALL CONCEIVABLE CONTEXTS. it is
> mapped this way in the PREFERENCES (which will probably need to be
> rewritten a bit to accommodate this) so that if you change this to LMB, LMB
> ALWAYS selects. if you change it to RMB, RMB ALWAYS selects. in ALL
> WINDOWS, MODES, etc... whether you are simple click selecting, lasso
> selecting, box selecting... you have modifier keys but the button to select
> is U N I V E R S A L.
>
> 2. if a NEGATION button is needed, it is ALWAYS THE OTHER BUTTON. so if RMB
> is select, then LMB is NEGATE/CANCEL. again - always, in EVERY CONCEIVABLE
> CONTEXT. actually, what i'd REALLY like is that the other button is NOT
> negation but simply context menu... in my mind, that's a very standardized
> use and would just make everything more intuitive. if negation is needed,
> just map it to ESC which is pretty standardized as well.
>
> 3. there are too many strange interdependencies right now in the user
> configuration of mousing. for instance, if i choose LMB SELECT, you lose
> the ability to choose the simulate 3 button mouse feature that makes the
> mouse navigation like LW. also, if i make MMB set the 3d cursor, all of a
> sudden i cannot rotate using the 3 button simulation mode (ALT-LMB)...
> there's no reason that these buttons need to step over each other like
> this. i should be able to LMB AND have simulate 3 button AND MMB place 3d
> cursor with no problem... and the fact that you can't is indicative i think
> of way too much unnecessary cross talk here.
>
> does anyone think that is unreasonable in any way? not at all being
> belligerent here... i'm just really curious as to whether any blender user
> really thinks the way things are done now good.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> if there's somebody that i can foreward or email this to to plead my case,
> let me know. cuz i really really really want to add blender to my
> repertoire.
>
> regardless, i'll use blender for the mindboggling bsurfaces and "dual
> contouring of hermite data" in blender's "dyanmesh" functionality but i
> really want to dive in and stay in. and INTUITIVENESS at the foundational
> level would go a loooooooong way to help me and other newbs.
>
> thanks much and yeah, i'm genuinely interested in what people think of the
> current state of simple selection paradigm.
>
> jin
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