[Bf-education] Terminating the Certified Trainer program...

Wed Sep 25 12:07:55 CEST 2019

Hi all,
I regret to see such an advertisement. With the great sorrow I'm heading
now to the chat to see WTF just happened.
My actual reaction is: "hey, no BFCT. Wait, WTF, WHAT?"
well, let's discuss then, if numbers are correct then maybe something was
wrong with certification program?
See you all on chat!

regards
pio

Piotr
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śr., 25 wrz 2019 o 10:39 Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> napisał(a):

> Hi,
>
> There is a blender.today thread now too. But Pierre is wrong in his
> observation.
>
> - this list is open for everyone to subscribe (already 15 years).
> - this list has over 1500 members.
> -Ton-
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ton Roosendaal - ton at blender.org - www.blender.org
> Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute
> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
>
>
> On 24/09/2019 14:03, Pierre Schiller wrote:
>
> Also, for all BFCT please consider taking this thread over to
> blender.chat, officially. No one is attending this mailing list, because
> they have to be first: approved, then confirmed by email then finally
> replying to the thread.
> Please consider taking this to blender.chat on Blender Today community.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:38 PM Pierre Schiller <3dcinetv at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Ton. Thank you for making the marvelous software Blender is today.
>>
>> You mention BFCT status could potentially terminate. I would like to
>> present some considerations before, please:
>>
>> BFCT has been enormous help for me as well as other trainers. Many
>> studios will not hire or consider solutions from a hobbyist or a CG artists
>> who is not directly endorsed with an official profile page like
>> Blendernetwork.org has done with all BFCT professionals enrolled in it. The
>> profile hits (page searches) alone should give a good *healthy report*
>> on how often *top-industry jobs search for specialized Blender
>> trainers/professionals*. Terminating the BFCT is cutting out the
>> possibility for an already healthy community growing for the next wave in
>> the 3D industry: *realtime graphics and VR operative interfaces* for 3D
>> creation. Blender has taken the right steps towards the future implementing
>> -even beyond implementing- other scientific and robotic areas surpassing 3D
>> vfx and animation renders.
>>
>> I have been invited to many organizations to do *live workshops* because
>> they trust that I have done a lot of Blender presentations online and
>> offline driving the edge of techniques and tools from version 2.79 onwards
>> , endorsed by *being BFCT*. It required me to give *straight answer to
>> deep technical problems* on studios using Blender or implementing
>> solutions on their own pipelines with other proprietary software and so
>> their trust is confirmed on how the certified trainers are endorsed by the
>> Blender Foundation, thus bringing prestige and confidence using the
>> software.
>>
>> I have been given the opportunity to work with such venturous software
>> developers exploring creativity and seeing Blender has stand the tests,
>> addons and new implementations, thus *giving these 3d
>> industry-professionals confidence when they work along side a BFCT*. I
>> can only speak for my cases, but I´m mostly sure many others will be in
>> this position through out the world as certified trainers.
>>
>> Training studios has been my main goal, and BFCT helped me through these
>> years to walk in those presentations and be aware to what the Blender
>> Foundation was doing in progress of Blender and communicate that clearly
>> with expectations met from everyone in the room.
>>
>> Without BFCT certification, anyone stands with under qualified users in
>> many areas *not knowing what representation Blender would officially
>> have to showcase as a solution* for a* studio pipeline or creatively
>> using it for new break through* artistic styles for movies, games or
>> commercial advertisement...
>>
>> Having 20+ years in the advertisement industry, terminating the BFCT
>> would rather hurt the solid commitment that all BFCT pursue: *The
>> efficient implementation of Blender for studio production across all
>> platforms and media.*
>>
>> This is my line of work and I would love to know more information to
>> re-apply for Blender 2.81 BFCT whenever possible.
>>
>> *Ultimately, there should be "specialized" training like the Blender
>> Foundation was offering back in March 2018. For example: "Migrating from
>> 3DsMax to Blender", "Using Particles for physics simulations", among
>> others; and have those programs expand upon review from the BFCT applicant.
>> This is a way to search for specialized trainer, rather than an average 3d
>> generalist.*
>>
>> *The BFCT applicant submits his specialized trainer program and the
>> Blender Foundation evaluates the trainer and his program to emit official
>> certification.*
>> This is my proposal.
>>
>> Thank you for your attention.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> David Rivera.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:01 PM Carlos Santana <csantanad at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello there
>>>
>>> I have been for many years outspoken about the fact that certifications
>>> should be extremely more widely available than they are right now
>>>
>>> Like any other certification from CCNA to brain surgeon, the important
>>> thing it to licence to institutions, not individuals, it is then the
>>> institutions turn to uphold the quality of the certifiable persons
>>> acumen in the field.
>>>
>>> Under this scheme, Blender foundation remains the sole giver of
>>> certifications, but it does so to accredited institutes and universities,
>>> not individuals.
>>>
>>> I have already gone all the way to Amsterdam and talked with a few of
>>> the people involved in the main teachers effort, and have already laid out
>>> a plan of action to implement such a scheme in the light of the actual
>>> CG-FX-Studio interest in the talent Blender attracts.
>>>
>>> I could turn this into a solid certification path that is direly
>>> required in order to keep lowering barrier for the large scale adoption of
>>> blender in the other visual fields not related to the entertainment
>>> industry.
>>>
>>> In turn the entertainment industry sure wold love it if we gave them
>>> some tools to remove the guesswork out of hiring Blender bound talent.
>>>
>>> There is an alternative, are there people willing to accept it has been
>>> my question in the last 7 or so years
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:07 PM Chris Mcfall <chris at unitedfilmdom.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Personally i always found the blender certification gave clients,
>>>> particularly universities confidence in hiring me.
>>>>
>>>>  In  a community like blenders where there are far more beginner level
>>>> users than experienced professionals (particularly ones capable of
>>>> imparting training in a digestible manner) a certification needs to exist,
>>>> or institutions looking for training are going to wind up disillusioned
>>>> hiring under-experienced users who misrepresent blenders capability’s and
>>>> this may negatively impact the uptake of institutions and pro studios.   As
>>>> someone who has taught blender at a number of prestigious universities,
>>>> schools, and professional institutions.  I believe a tier of quality
>>>> trainers for blender is invaluable. Perhaps charging for the certification
>>>> again and using that fee to manage pay for the infrastructure would be
>>>> worth while.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 18:32, Gossett, Evalyn J <egossett at iun.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update.
>>>>> I need training maybe not certification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> Evalyn J. Gossett
>>>>> DNP, RN
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2019, at 12:04 PM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> The certified trainer program is dwindling and doesn't get much
>>>>> attention nor enthusiasm from trainers really.
>>>>> This email is to open the discussion on stopping with the
>>>>> certification program, and to provide an alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.blender.org/certification/
>>>>> We installed the certification program in 2007 on popular request,
>>>>> provided that:
>>>>>
>>>>> - there would be a clear process in place to validate trainers
>>>>> - it would be managed well, preferably by trainers themselves.
>>>>> I always had mixed feelings about providing official certification. A
>>>>> certificate's value is fully determined by the quality of the validation
>>>>> procedure and to have a decent examination process. The process we had in
>>>>> place for validating trainers was very minimal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet we accepted to do this, because in 2007 many trainers said it
>>>>> would help them to get in business. Their clients or universities demanded
>>>>> that. Unfortunately that has been true for very few people only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently there are only 12 active certifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose to stop with certification now. Not only because of lack of
>>>>> interest, lack of quality in the program, but especially because it does
>>>>> not support the Blender Foundation's goal - which is about supporting
>>>>> projects on blender.org related to making Blender.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I then rather do instead is to re-activate this mailing list, and
>>>>> discuss with educators what Blender Foundation can do to help everyone here
>>>>> better. For example with a section on blender.org where educators and
>>>>> trainers can meet and exchange useful information and share or download
>>>>> training material. The Blender Foundation could add also add staff efforts
>>>>> to coordinate this.
>>>>> I know this mailing list hasn't been very active. Hope the mail
>>>>> arrives, and I'm curious to read your reactions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> -Ton-
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Ton Roosendaal - ton at blender.org - www.blender.org
>>>>> Chairman Blender Foundation, Director Blender Institute
>>>>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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>>>>>
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