[Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A blender user certification is required?

Thu Dec 5 04:35:16 CET 2013

I like the idea of a Certification or Badges.  I am already in the process of trying to develop a skills Checklist for my classes.  Does anyone know if something already exist?

Debra E. Brown-Thompson  M.S., M.O.B.
Executive Director
GenTech NFP
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From: Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 8:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 6 - A blender user certification is required?

Hello everyone!
I think there are a lot of topics todiscuss.

Piotr, the idea of get discussiontopics organized and keep a record on the wiki sounds great. you'vecreated the wiki page?

We can start with a list of topics,contributions and questions we would like to talk about, and thenhave a discussion on each topic to try to reach common ground.
We can chat on the #blendereducationIRC channel on freenode too.
Maybe a forum could help to keep trackof all the treads? 
The proposal here,is to create astandardized tests or exams (or exam set) by skill,  and offerthis to schools and colleges to certify students with.The certificate would still be officiallyissued by the school itself not by the BF.

We all onthe mail list,  have extensive experienceteaching blender, would be great if we can build a standard thateveryone can use.

>From time to time a blenderstudent/user or a school/training center ask for an official blenderuser certification. And as blender is becoming more popular, thedemand grows. On my humble opinion, a certification is a tool thattells an employer that an individual has studied some field, and isused as a certainty that the person you are hiring has the skills todo the work. I am aware it's not a 100% guarantee of proof, but stillis a recognition of his/her habilities. It will become aresponsibility of the certificate issuer the quality of education ablender student receives, and i am sure we can help with it, workingon creating a standard for evaluating the knowledge.

About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org ) insteadof a certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.

I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?, yes?, no?, why? pros and cons?

Greetings! 

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   1. Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) -     application
      process maybe broken (Marcelo V)
   2. Re: Blender user certification (avi dey)

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 08:55:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) -
        application process maybe broken
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(now in the right thread)

My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the process is broken somewhere.

I initially applied and my first submission had some missing information. Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot for the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.
Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite I got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not get the auto reply email.
?Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine. However,? according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.

Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my attempts.

Regards,
Marcelo

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 From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender user certification

Hi everyone,

This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.

Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?

Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so... certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting together?

Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced), or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?

And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's "artistic/subjective".

Dp;f

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <gferrop at gmail.com> wrote:

I am very interested
>
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>2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
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>Hello everyone!
>>
>>
>>Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list, and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.
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>>
>>I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on that:
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>>Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on the creation of?standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer this to schools and colleges to certify students with.?
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>>
>>He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."
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>>Who are interested? :)
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:46:33 -0500
From: avi dey <adtwinonline at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender user certification
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December 04, 2013

Piotr Arlukowicz Comment:

*By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:*

- tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes
- certification process for Blender Education
- certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer

Avi Request For Clarification On "Functional Topic" Relating to Blender
Certification Sub-Topics

My Sub-Topic:  How do we strengthen and encourage certification of
"Functional Areas" as  Blender is used in many different ways.

My Funcational Sub topic:
Dance Animation  Using Blender

Blender Guru
Dance Animation  Using Blender
http://www.blenderguru.com/27-inspiring-blender-animations-that-will-make-your-jaw-drop/
26. HapiLoli

Conversation:  Only 1 person from Japan has know how to do this function !
This Problem that can be overcome by "wise Blender Functional
Certification"
Avi Dey

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi Dolf,
>
> nice to hear from you! :)
> I don't give a certification during a normal study courses, the University
> is for that. So, Blender classes are included in the whole process as a
> small part although typical course I made lasts for 60-120 hours. If I am
> doing also a standalone course for business or a company, I am usually
> creating my own certificate, but it is far from BFCT and we know that can
> be done just like that. It depends of the level of the course.
>
> Blender exams I've done are of two types in general: they can check
> detailed knowledge/skill or be a project-related. The first category is
> very rigid, the second is more artistic oriented and the overall quality
> and mood are important.
>
> By the way, we are talking about more than one thing:
> - tasks for people who wish to pass some Blender Education classes
> - certification process for Blender Education
> - certification process for Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
>
> So, let's not make a mess and lets focus on particular things, maybe in a
> separate threads?
>
> btw Dolf, we have things to do, you know :)
>
>
>  pz
> piotr
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>  2013/12/4 Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> This discussion has indeed been going, on and off, for multiple years.
>>
>> Piotr: you talk a lot about the tasks you set your students, but not
>> their exams... and perhaps that is what this discussion is about? How do
>> you decide your students finished the course successfully, or failed?
>>
>> Octavio, do you have students asking your for certification? And if so...
>> certification as what? And... if so... then do you already give them a
>> certificate? We can all always give students a piece of paper that says
>> they completed a course in Blender that we taught... and if you are a
>> certified trainer, that could already be worth a lot? Is the Blender
>> foundation needed for this, or is it just a couple teachers getting
>> together?
>>
>> Is it a good idea to do Blender certification (blender basics/advanced),
>> or Skill based certification (3d modelling/animation)?
>>
>> And... how to test this? Some basic 3d knowledge can be done multiple
>> choice, but I guess there will always be a part that's
>> "artistic/subjective".
>>
>> Dp;f
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Guillermo J Ferro P <gferrop at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am very interested
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/4 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
>>>
>>>>  Hello everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Time ago we discuss about a blender user certification on this list,
>>>> and sadly we do not reach any result. Since then, has been growing interest
>>>> in the subject by blender students, schools, and training centers.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to bring back the topic and see if we can work together on
>>>> that:
>>>>
>>>> Ton suggests not to put the efforts on the certification itself, but on
>>>> the creation of standardized tests (like "Basic modeling") and offer
>>>> this to schools and colleges to certify students with.
>>>>
>>>> He suggest to: "you can name it very smart in a way people perceive it
>>>> as official, but the certificate would still be officiallly issued by the
>>>> school itself. It is what Adobe does for photoshop for example."
>>>>
>>>> Who are interested? :)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez*
>>>> octavio at g-blender.org
>>>> www.g-blender.org
>>>> 044 473 1034906
>>>> @octagesimal
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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