[Bf-docboard] Bf-docboard Digest, Vol 94, Issue 10
Duncan McKean
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Mon Dec 17 12:26:45 CET 2012
It's vital to have a Blender Manual. I can skim read and follow relevant links far quicker than scrolling back and forth on a video. Also, manuals can be digested at your own pace and in your own way. Videos are only as good as their presenter.
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> 1. Re: Do we need a Blender Manual? (Kesten Broughton)
> 2. Re: Do we need a Blender Manual? (Almut Brunswick)
> 3. Re: Do we need a Blender Manual? (Knapp)
> 4. Wiki.Blender.Org media wiki upgrade? (Nkansah Rexford)
> 5. Re: Do we need a Blender Manual? (Raindrops From Sky)
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> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:45:09 -0600
> From: Kesten Broughton <solarmobiletrailers at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Do we need a Blender Manual?
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> my ideal learning support is a video tutorial, with a table of contents
> with time markers into the video. However, from a maintenance perspective,
> it's so much easier to change a few lines of text than to re-record part or
> all of a video when blender ui changes. And it's much more friendly to
> download an entire wiki to hardrive than a video lib for people who have to
> work offline or have bad connections.
>
> No doubt about it, wiki is an essential tool.
>
> k
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> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:34 AM, Willie Pierce <knightwalkr at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> As a note I personally prefer a written explanation on how tools work.
>> Maybe a base tutorial on how to use them but written out tutorials and
>> explanations.
>>
>> Video tutorials are nice but I like having written out explanations so if
>> you have to look something up you don't have to scrub all through a set of
>> videos; instead you can simply skim through the writing to find the section
>> you need and look at what you need.
>>
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> From: "Almut Brunswick" <ALinhardt at t-online.de>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Do we need a Blender Manual?
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> It always depends on the actual purpose of an information source wheater
> a written wiki or a video tutorial works better. And in addition, it
> depends on the individual learning type as well as the personal habits
> and preferences. I know that meanwhile many especially younger people
> prefer videos rather than text/picture instructions. But I'm personally
> not fond of the most videos for a first appproach. My objections are
> always the same: Too many actions in too short time, the comments - if
> given at all - are too short or too confusing to grasp the whole thing
> at first glance, and the subsequent access on detail information while
> reworking the content by yourself in Blender is not that optimal. Videos
> with a transcription are much better for later reference, but
> unfortunately just exceptions to the rule.
>
> So the initial question is just of rhetoric nature: A wiki will always
> play a vital role for a tool like Blender. It is mainly designated to be
> a reference, a collection of more or less isolated knowledge snippets
> focussed on supplying a hopefully clarifying answer in a hopefully fast
> accessible way. So at least on my behalf, there isn't an "either or"
> for videos and wiki at all, but an "as well as".
>
> By the way: I'm new in the wiki team and most recently I was so naughty
> and forward to enroll myself in the Blender Wiki Core Team list. I just
> feel the urgent necessity to enhance and to improve the German
> translations together with other volunteers who are willing and able to
> help me in doing this really giant and never-ending work. Though being a
> relative newbie to Blender, I have the capabilities of a professional
> technical writer in order to provide something more useful and correct
> to German readers than this Babelfish/Google Translator mess you still
> can find on too many pages.
>
> Almut
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> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:59:43 +0100
> From: Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Do we need a Blender Manual?
> To: info at almut-brunswick.de, Blender Documentation Project
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> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Almut Brunswick <ALinhardt at t-online.de> wrote:
>> It always depends on the actual purpose of an information source wheater
>> a written wiki or a video tutorial works better. And in addition, it
>> depends on the individual learning type as well as the personal habits
>> and preferences. I know that meanwhile many especially younger people
>> prefer videos rather than text/picture instructions. But I'm personally
>> not fond of the most videos for a first appproach. My objections are
>> always the same: Too many actions in too short time, the comments - if
>> given at all - are too short or too confusing to grasp the whole thing
>> at first glance, and the subsequent access on detail information while
>> reworking the content by yourself in Blender is not that optimal. Videos
>> with a transcription are much better for later reference, but
>> unfortunately just exceptions to the rule.
>>
>> So the initial question is just of rhetoric nature: A wiki will always
>> play a vital role for a tool like Blender. It is mainly designated to be
>> a reference, a collection of more or less isolated knowledge snippets
>> focussed on supplying a hopefully clarifying answer in a hopefully fast
>> accessible way. So at least on my behalf, there isn't an "either or"
>> for videos and wiki at all, but an "as well as".
>>
>> By the way: I'm new in the wiki team and most recently I was so naughty
>> and forward to enroll myself in the Blender Wiki Core Team list. I just
>> feel the urgent necessity to enhance and to improve the German
>> translations together with other volunteers who are willing and able to
>> help me in doing this really giant and never-ending work. Though being a
>> relative newbie to Blender, I have the capabilities of a professional
>> technical writer in order to provide something more useful and correct
>> to German readers than this Babelfish/Google Translator mess you still
>> can find on too many pages.
>>
>> Almut
>
> I live in Germany also. If you live anywhere near Gelsenkirchen, I can
> get your Blender skills build up very quickly in person, a much faster
> way than self taught. I am also open to any questions you might have
> about it through email. I want to support the doc team with my very
> limited free time. My English is way better than my German.
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> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:31:53 +0000
> From: Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Bf-docboard] Wiki.Blender.Org media wiki upgrade?
> To: Blender Documentation Project <bf-docboard at blender.org>
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> Hi
>
> I wish to find out the version of the Mediawiki software used for
> wiki.blender.org. Is it the latest version? Or its lagging behind?
>
> I think it will be a good thing that its upgraded to latest versions. Or?
>
> rexford
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> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:24:53 +0530
> From: Raindrops From Sky <raindrops.fromsky at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Do we need a Blender Manual?
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> @Video tutorials:
>
> There are two different types of video tutorials are out there:
>
> 1. Tutorials that explain ONE basic concept at a time, with worked-out
> examples
> (Example: Neal Hirsig's excellent video course
> http://gryllus.net/Blender/3D.html)
>
> 2. Tutorials with a complex project that use many Blender tools/techniques
> (Example: Blender Cookies, BlenderGuru)
>
> Only the first type can be easily mapped to the wiki (either Reference
> Manual or user Manual).
> This linking will serve both types of users equally well:
> * Users who need the video lessons to complement the wiki
> * Users who want to only view the videos (rather than reading the wiki)
>
> The second type video uses so many techniques that you cannot cross-refer
> to it from a wiki.
> They are best used as a stand-alone tutorials.
>
> Regards,
> Narayan
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