[Bf-docboard] 2.5 Wiki Changes

Mon Nov 7 19:54:45 CET 2011

Ok, lets all take a deep breath. I only ever intended to help, and never to
take over. There was misunderstanding on my part and I apologize. I realize
the error of my ways, and will have no problem complying with the wiki
guidelines from this point on, of which I now better understand. I saw a
role to fill as a wiki contributor, but I got ahead of myself.

, along with
> > other significant changes that are needed, in my public spreadsheet:
> > Blender Wiki Content
> > <
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgUiaPsPYcKpdElpc2V3S1JIb21kUTNMT0YzTTJ2X3c&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0
> >.
>
> this is not the workflow stated in the guidelines.
>

I understand this. I was keeping track of all the edits and changes I made,
on my personal computer. When I realized that this might be helpful for
admins to view, I made it public. Again, I was not trying to ignore rules,
I simply misinterpreted them. I've kept a list of all the 2.5 pages I
filled in, and can post it where appropriate. For the most part, I was
under the impression that I didn't need to do sandbox pages, since I was
simply reusing content from the 2.4 pages, and conforming them to 2.5. I
would agree that I should have prepared sandbox pages for bigger changes,
like the modeling section, and for content that is new in 2.5.

> Out of the 454 or so wiki
> > pages, i've only changed page links for about 70 of them (see the second
> > sheet in my Google doc), so I don't know what you mean about not
> > following the 2.4 structure "at all."
>
> 70!
>

I've fixed 43 of these pages in my sandbox page, by copying the page
contents over to the old pages. There's really only about 46 pages in the
2.4 manual that do not yet have direct corresponding pages in 2.5, which
are primarily the modeling and animation pages. I really don't think fixing
the cross linking issue is that big of a deal. Most the content either
exists, and simply needs to be split up again, or is not there at all, so
the links can be changed without issue.

Again, I want to stress that I had no intentions of anarchy. I am not
blaming anyone for my failure to comply with the guidelines. I respect the
input of others and agree that there needs to be collaboration in order to
complete this project. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to
help resolve this problem.

Regards,
Jared

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:54 AM, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:

> Narayan,
>
> On 11/07/2011 04:43 PM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:
> > I decided to work on my own pdf because of the "sandbox" idea, which
> > IMHO is not supported by this team well
>
> by reading the past mails here you will see that it is quite the
> opposite. Also, the major wiki contributors agree using it, and same
> goes in #blenderwiki channel.
> We all use it as a safety net.
>
> It is up to you to accept the sandbox for big changes, or not.
>
>
> The 2.5 manual has been quite a playground for 2 years, and infact it is
> now causing some headache rewiewing it, but once it'll be reviewed it
> will have to follow the same sandbox mechanism.
>
>
> Regards,
> Luca
>
>
>
> > The SEO area seems to be without any sandboxes; so I decided to
> > contribute there.
>
> SEO is about
>
> >
> > On 11/7/11, mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Narayan,
> >>
> >> I'd prefer that decisions regarding blender's wiki are made by people
> >> that have done significant work (meaning with a good amount of
> >> contributions in the wiki itself) and following the rules we have.
> >>
> >> Rules can be discussed of course, but IMHO by people that have already
> >> followed the current ones for a while, and have a significant experience
> >> and history in this wiki.
> >>
> >> I don't really want to be harsh, but I don't see many edits in your user
> >> page :/
> >>
> >> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Raindrops
> >>
> >> I think it is understandable that there is a difference among people
> >> doing real work and people having opinions, no offense.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/07/2011 06:06 AM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:
> >>
> >>> But in our case, Blender itself has changed drastically (say Cycles,
> >>> Dynamic Paint, Dope sheet,  etc.). Therefore the wiki structure NEEDS
> to
> >>> change.
> >>
> >> New topics aren't a change (Cycles, Dynamic Paint).
> >> Dopesheet represent a change, but that's just a small part of the whole
> >> manual.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jared had taken that initiative long ago, but those suggestions have
> >>> remained in sandbox for a very very very long time now.
> >>
> >> Bastien has waited several months before someone had the time to review,
> >> it's normal, because this is a volunteering project.
> >>
> >>
> >>> It is this inflexibility that led me to making the manual in pdf form,
> >>> which is already making good progress.
> >>
> >> Stating that you work on your own manual and pretending to make
> >> decisions here is a bit weird IMHO.
> >>
> >>
> >>> P.S. I had earlier suggested that I would like to work on SEO (I
> >>> purposely mentioned ONLY the "description" meta tag, because Google
> uses
> >>> it to show the queried terms in bold. If we can decide the strategy
> >>> about how to formulate it, I can work on those tags, either alone or as
> >>> part of SEO team.)
> >>
> >> There is a thread about SEO now, please reply there, thanks :)
> >>
> >>
> >>> According to Google SEO guidelines, having a site map helps SEO, which
> >>> should be made/updated frequently to reflect the current state of the
> >>> website. So running that map-maker script periodically would help our
> SEO.
> >>
> >> As stated, this is in the todo.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Luca
> >>
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>
> Regards,
> Luca
>
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