[Bf-docboard] Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed!

[Fade S]

Hi all,

On 11/05/2011 02:30 PM, mindrones wrote:
> I see Irve in irc quite often; Fade, never tried to join #blenderwiki?

Sometimes. I don't normally see many people in the chat 

when I do join, but I suspect that's just because I'm in Australia
and several timezones removed from most people here.


>What about: Irve -> A | Fade -> B, so I can go ahead on other stuff? :)

No worries. I'll work on that over the next few days and report back 

when I'm done. 

Thanks for the explanation over the redirects too. Make much more
sense now. :)


Regards
Fade


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From: mindrones <mindrones at gmail.com>
To: bf-docboard at blender.org
Sent: Saturday, 5 November 2011 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Bf-docboard] Redirecting old 2.3 docs: help needed!

Hi all,

On 11/03/2011 02:35 PM, Jaagup Irve wrote:
> Mindrones: I'd be willing to help if I'm online at the time. You are 1
> timezone away but I'm sometimes able to postpone my sleep. I can be
> found at skype under jaagup.irve user if I'm not in the IRC (which
> happens sometimes).

On 11/05/2011 02:21 AM, Fade S wrote:
> I'm happy to help with this. 


Cool thanks guys :)

I see Irve in irc quite often; Fade, never tried to join #blenderwiki?



On 11/05/2011 02:21 AM, Fade S wrote:
> How do you want to split up the work to
> avoid duplication? Maybe we can assign volunteers a section in the order
> they've emailed. e.g. you take Section 1: Introduction to Blender,
> Jaagup takes Section 2: Modelling, materials and lights, I take Section
> 3: etc.

First of all,

http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlII/

is a Reference and we can redirect these after we have done the
automatic reference, so let's focus on

http://www.blender.org/documentation/htmlI/

There we have 180 links:

A)
From: I. Introduction to Blender
To:   II. Modelling, Materials and Lights
----------------------------------------------
88 links

B)
From: III. Animation
To:   Glossary
----------------------------------------------
92 links


What about: Irve -> A | Fade -> B, so I can go ahead on other stuff? :)

Is that ok?


> I do have a few queries though. Why are we mapping it to the 2.4 manual
> and not the 2.6 manual? From the mapping and your later post here:
> 
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-docboard/2011-November/003772.html
> 
> It seems like we'll be mapping 2.3-->2.4, then aligning 2.4 to 2.6 as
> much as possible. If I've understood this and the later SEO discussions
> correctly (and very likely I haven't ;)), it means that people will
> search for "blender extrusion", find the 2.3 page, get shifted over to
> the 2.4 manual via the server mapping and then redirected to 2.

> If you're going to align 2.4 and 2.6, would it not be simpler to wait
> until that is done, then just map 2.3 directly to 2.6?


After the mapping, google will know that a certain 2.3 page is now
Doc:2.4/Manual/Foo.

But Doc:2.4/Manual/Foo is crosslinked to Doc:2.5/Manual/Foo and google
knows this :)

So, by searching for "blender foo" in the search results stack we will
hopefully find Doc:2.6/Manual/Foo alongside of Doc:2.4/Manual/Foo.
By choosing 2.6, we're saying google that we prefer 2.6 and I think
google takes in account the human choice too, to calculate a page ranking.

This way we won't damage articles linking to old pages (think to the
animation chapters which are quite different and partly incompatible).

Hope this makes sense for you guys too?



On 11/05/2011 09:49 AM, Raindrops From Sky wrote:
> Another aspect:
>
> The 2.3 -> 2.4 (or 3.6) redirect will be within the same website
> (blender.org <http://blender.org>).
> Such links may not help in increasing the rating at all.

These would not be links, but permanent redirects.


> For higher ranking, the pages need inbound links from OTHER websites.
> In fact, the tag analysis points out that there are no inbound links
at present.

These pages won't link to wiki, because they won't exist anymore, so
there wouldn't be backlinks at all.

The reason to use a permanent redirect is to tell the search engine
where to go look when they won't find the high rank pages anymore.

I'm not sure if this will attribute the high rank to the wiki pages
somehow, but surely this is better than just removing the pages and hope
that this will make the wiki pages jump up of 1 step in the results stack :)



Regards,
Luca

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