[Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!

Tue Jun 15 15:18:12 CEST 2021

To give a bit more context to what I wrote, since I got some comments about
this.

What I am arguing for is that the BF should invest in an online add-on
repository and API (including API stability), while giving control and
responsibility to add-on developers. I believe that will give a better
outcome for users and most open-source add-on developers, many of whom
develop add-ons not bundled with Blender. Credits and promotion can then be
on a web page dedicated to the add-on.

As long as add-ons are bundled it's not a bad thing to promote them or put
the authors in the credits. It's just not where I see things going long
term.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 3:11 PM Brecht Van Lommel <brechtvanlommel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Personally, I wouldn't change this.
>
> Add-ons authors are credited in the add-on preferences, where you go to
> enable the add-on. The fact that they are bundled rather than installed
> from an online repository (which is what we should do eventually) makes
> little practical difference I think.
>
> For the release notes, I don't think we should be putting much emphasis on
> add-ons that often have a UI/UX and design different than core Blender,
> usually created by individuals without review. The freedom to do that
> creates very useful functionality and leads to fast development, but I
> wouldn't market that as part of Blender the product in the same way.
>
> The way I see it is that as an add-on author you get both the freedom and
> the responsibility for development, docs, and marketing. If anything we
> should decouple such things more, rather than integrating them.
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 6:07 AM Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <
> bf-committers at blender.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dalai,
>> I'm not talking about an add-on in particular, I'm referring to add-ons
>> in general.
>>
>> In regard to your first point, we are agreed that the credit gen script
>> is skipping add-ons; however, from what you've shown me, it looks like
>> it would be easy to support.  So I'm wondering why it is that add-ons
>> are being skipped and what can be done to correct it for the 2.93 release?
>>
>> In regard to your second point, I am aware that it is the responsibility
>> of the developer to document changes in the wiki release notes, I do so
>> for every release, and I thank you for your willingness to help with any
>> problems accessing the wiki.  I was, however, referring to the fancier
>> release notes [1] that are compiled from the wiki release notes, and
>> that these have been lacking a section for add-ons recently.  So, what
>> is required to have an add-ons section added to the 'fancy' release notes?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> [1] https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/
>>
>> On 2021-06-07 06:00 AM, bf-committers-request at blender.org wrote:
>> > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:05:36 +0200
>> > From: Dalai Felinto<dalai at blender.org>
>> > To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers at blender.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!
>> > Message-ID:
>> >       <CAKD4fWcP41W8FFQW+5Tc5cAEwY=
>> zavhavyzc5RWS4JbBG1M_KQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >
>> > Hi Ryan,
>> > Are you talking about an add-on in particular? There are two related but
>> > separate topics in your email:
>> >
>> > 1. Contributors credit
>> > The script that generates the credits [1] is indeed be skipping the
>> add-on
>> > repositories.
>> >
>> > 2. Release notes
>> > It is the responsibility of any developer that contributes code, to
>> > document the changes and mention them in the (wiki) release notes [2].
>> If
>> > an add-on maintainer needs wiki access they can contact me directly via
>> > email or as dfelinto in blender.chat.
>> >
>> > [1] -
>> >
>> https://developer.blender.org/diffusion/BDT/browse/master/utils/credits_git_gen.py
>> > [2] -https://wiki.blender.org/wiki/Reference/Release_Notes/2.93/Add-ons
>> >
>> > -Dalai-
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Dalai Felinto -dalai at blender.org  -www.blender.org
>> > Blender Development Coordinator
>> > Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
>> >
>> >
>> > Op za 5 jun. 2021 om 07:10 schreef Ryan Inch via Bf-committers <
>> > bf-committers at blender.org>:
>> >
>> >> Congratulations on the release!  Everything looks good, there seems to
>> >> be tons of great improvements,
>> >> and the reels are quite impressive.
>> >>
>> >> However, I have noticed that Add-ons are treated differently in the
>> >> release notes.  Judging by the emails from the bf-extensions mailing
>> >> list, many of the Add-ons bundled with Blender receive dozens of
>> updates
>> >> between each release, but this hasn't lately been advertised in the
>> >> release notes (aside from the occasional mention in @SouthernShotty's 5
>> >> minute videos, very grateful to him for that), plus the
>> >> authors/maintainers and their commits to these Add-ons don't seem to be
>> >> credited on the credits page[1].  Since the Add-ons are bundled with
>> >> Blender, is there a reason that they aren't credited at release?
>> >>
>> >> If the reason for this is, in part, that authors/maintainers aren't
>> >> adding their changes to the wiki version of the
>> >> release notes in time, then I would like to inquire as to when the
>> >> cutoff for editing the wiki is to make it into the
>> >> release notes, or what else could be done to have them included?
>> >>
>> >> Ryan Inch (Imaginer)
>> >> Developer of the Collection Manager Add-on.
>> >>
>> >> [1]https://www.blender.org/about/credits/
>> >>
>> >> On 2021-06-03 06:00 AM,bf-committers-request at blender.org  wrote:
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 1
>> >>> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:18:32 +0200
>> >>> From: Dalai Felinto<dalai at blender.org>
>> >>> To: bf-blender developers<bf-committers at blender.org>
>> >>> Subject: [Bf-committers] Blender 2.93 Released!
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>>        <
>> >> CAKD4fWfyVsXY6FTAZYpgUdjTnnxOw1fTEWsZA4J5kbuwjkNO6g at mail.gmail.com>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> Blender 2.93 LTS is officially released.
>> >>>
>> >>> The release notes are here:
>> >>> https://www.blender.org/download/releases/2-93/
>> >>>
>> >>> You can check two great videos with everything 2.93 related:
>> >>> * Reel:https://youtu.be/fxNlpQYRz7s
>> >>> * Features:https://youtu.be/mnnMFJ3iWH0
>> >>>
>> >>> Congratulations everyone!
>> >>> -Dalai-
>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> Dalai Felinto -dalai at blender.org  -www.blender.org
>> >>> Blender Development Coordinator
>> >>> Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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