[Bf-committers] FM 2.8 Proposal : Fracturing, Cache, Rigidbody
Brecht Van Lommel
brechtvanlommel at pandora.be
Mon Feb 26 15:29:25 CET 2018
Am I understanding correctly that you are proposing to keep all fracture
data within one Object datablock? And then there would be a "Convert"
button on the modifier that generates multiple objects, which are then no
longer influenced by the modifier? If so that makes sense to me. Even if
many objects were faster, procedurally generating datablocks is not
supported by Blender design currently and trying to tack it on would cause
It's just a bit confusing because you are saying "cross-object constraints
will be managed by a dedicated constraint-only Modifier" for example. Are
we talking about actual object datablocks, constraints and modifiers? Or
just something that happens internally and doesn't affect any actual
datablocks? Or both, where the "Convert" button generates objects with such
constraints or modifiers, and if it's all within one object it happens
I suggest to not talk about Python modifiers or more generic modifier cache
systems here. This is already a very complicated topic, just integrate it
with existing physics modifier and cache designs and do any bigger changes
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Martin Felke <martin.felke at t-online.de>
> Hi, first attempt to get my thoughts / ideas sorted on how to move on
> with FM in 2.8.
> FM 2.8 Proposal : Fracturing, Cache, Rigidbody
> Main Goal is to avoid 1000s of real objects, this still causes serious
> lags in blenders viewport. Should this be already fixed we could just
> use those and we are almost done.
> We need to decompose the base or previous modifier mesh to islands,
> with an Operator for example. Now we have an Execute operator which
> “invokes” the modifier and suppresses modifier eval afterwards again.
> Result of the fracture operator is a non-persistent Mesh (pre-fractured)
> or a non-persistent Mesh Sequence (dynamic). We have the possibility to
> apply to a single mesh object or to convert to multiple Mesh Objects.
> It should be kept as a modifier for (nondestructive ?) interaction with
> the stack or nodes, else it would be “nailed” to the top of the stack,
> no modifiers before could be placed before it.
> Optionally we could have a more general pack operator which packs a
> group of objects and constraints (similarly to how it happens already
> with FM external mode)
> The fracture result should be kept in the RAM (Geometry Cache). It also
> could directly be written to a persistent Cache File.
> Alembic could be used as cache file / disk cache for geometry. Those
> per-modifier cache files could be packed into the blend, so the user
> doesn’t need to take care not to “forget” files when sharing the
> It would be needed to feed the alembic file backend differently with
> data. It needs to be avoided that mesh gets fully dumped again and again
> each frame, because this will unnecessarily bloat the file size.
> Instead, we should treat each island like an object and store only
> transforms over time.
> A Fracture Modifier should hold a cache data block similar to the mesh
> sequence cache modifier. So each of those objects and / or modifiers
> would be linked to a disk cache file.
> During fracturing, the initial state will be written to a geometry cache
> During simulation, another file will be created and the initial state
> from simulation will be modified, by writing transform info.
> For the case of dynamic fracture, the cache needs to be able to extend
> or shrink (modify) the initial state. At each fracture event we need to
> add a new state to some event sequence. But it needs to be avoided to
> repeat redundant info as in writing the same geometry twice.
> Generally, we need to make the storage more dynamic, so the cache can
> grow and shrink, so instead of just storing an array of "points" per
> frame,the cache could be holding just a sequence of items where each has
> its own frame range.
> To ensure quick lookup then (state of cache at frame x) we could keep an
> interface similar to the old point cache.
> Going over all elements and linear search is just too slow with high
> element count, so jumping in cache and even sequential playback could be
> too, if we don’t know what is the “next” changeset.
> We could build up a lookup structure which works like an array of
> frames. This references the items according to whether this frame is
> part of their frame range.
> Building that structure could be done at sim start and at addition /
> removal of items in dynamic sim too. This helps to ensure fast playback
> and jumping at the expense of some overhead in dynamic simulations. But
> simulation generally is expected to be slower than cache playback, so
> the overhead should not be the main cause of slow performance.
> Each cache item should be able to hold any type of “custom” data. so the
> same cache structure could be used for any type of simulation purpose.
> Blenders Custom data Layer system could be applied to each of those
> cache items. It allows to append already “simple” datalayers like int,
> float, string, bool. Optionally we could attempt to extend it to hold
> pointers to arbitrary structs. We should be able to register new custom
> data types at runtime too, and expose the cache to python. (so addons
> could read / write from / into it)
> For example, the Rigidbody Object structure should be treated as custom
> data layer for the cache. Each island would be an item and index into
> the rigidbody layer.
> The rigidbody world would reference all objects which have caches with
> rigidbody custom data in it, with Fracture Modifiers referencing their
> cache datablocks, and their items.
> Access would be like : World -> Objects -> Caches per Object -> Items ->
> The constraints should be managed by the modifiers as well, where we
> have “inner” and “outer” constraints then, the latter are cross-object.
> The cross-object constraints will be managed by a dedicated
> constraint-only Modifier. Each of those constraints should hold
> references to rigidbodies (or cache items, since a rigidbody is just a
> layer then) of the same or of the other participating objects.
> The old "regular" Object based rigidbodies shall be removed, they can be
> replaced by single-island modifiers.
> Rigidbody as modifier becomes movable in the stack / among nodes, and is
> not nailed to final / deform / base.
> Additional functionality like autohide and automerge could become
> separate modifiers, unless they also need to access cache details.
> Further Thoughts
> Should EACH modifier have a cache component, which is either being
> passed down the stack, and can be accessed externally too ?
> like ob.modifiers[“mod”].cache.layers.xxx ?
> A generic script modifier would be nice (where a certain python class
> could be attached to), could cooperate with the exposed cache component
> (read from input cache, write to output cache)
> Caches per modifier would also allow to stack multiple fracture
> modifiers without performance penalty (of continuous refractures)
> (would work in the old style DNA / DM storage too, but many places in
> the code assume there is only one FM, like the duplicated rigidbody
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