[Bf-committers] scons/install stale files problem.

[jmsoler at free.fr]

On Windows and for an educational purpose, the .blender folder is an issue by
itself. In mac os application package, the ui's scripts folder (or just the
scripts folder) hidden in .blender is also an issue. Scripts or anything else
should not be hidden.


Selon joe <joeedh at gmail.com>:

> . . .And you totally and completely missed my point :)
>
> Joe
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Martin Poirier <theeth at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Blender on windows already supports having the .blender folder in different
> locations outside of the install folder, regardless of the build engine used.
> >
> > That's not a new thing and not a big issue.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > --- On Sat, 2/13/10, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] scons/install stale files problem.
> >> To: "bf-blender developers" <bf-committers at blender.org>
> >> Received: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 6:21 PM
> >> I wasn't implying we should keep old
> >> scripts around.  Simply that you
> >> shouldn't play around so freely with the behavior of build
> >> systems
> >> like this, at least not without thorough testing :)
> >>
> >> IMHO it should not use the $HOME directory unless your
> >> explicitly
> >> making a release package.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Campbell Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > This is whats happening on linux/unix for years with
> >> blender 2.4x, if
> >> > ~/.blender is defined, maybe we switch to
> >> ~/blender-2.5.x in future,
> >> > this has been discussed in other posts.
> >> >
> >> > They can be made to co-exist pretty easy I think, just
> >> make
> >> > "$PWD/.blender" override "$HOME/.blender"
> >> >
> >> > I explained in the first post the problems with
> >> keeping old scripts around.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:08 AM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> That would be bad, as it'd make different branches
> >> share the same
> >> >> .blender folder.
> >> >>
> >> >> Why are you messing with this?
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Campbell Barton
> >> <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>> Update: only remove the scripts dir now, not
> >> the entire install
> >> >>> folder, apparently gives troubles on windows,
> >> >>> We should still look into having a blender
> >> home on windows that isnt
> >> >>> related to the install dir, and making it
> >> usable (create on startup if
> >> >>> its not there for instance).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:51 AM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> The install folder scons spits out is
> >> supposed to create/use a
> >> >>>> .blender folder in the same folder.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Joe
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Campbell
> >> Barton <ideasman42 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> to conclude this tedious topic I
> >> better give an update for those who
> >> >>>>> dont read the logs.
> >> >>>>> Discussed this with Brect (over lunch)
> >> and Martin (over IRC) and Both
> >> >>>>> agree this is best in the long run.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Now the default scons behavior is to
> >> remove the install dir each time
> >> >>>>> so it always contains an up to date
> >> build, however Aligorith uses
> >> >>>>> scons for development on windows,
> >> which needs DLL's etc, so copying
> >> >>>>> each time isnt nice.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> For this case I added
> >> WITHOUT_BF_OVERWRITE_INSTALL
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> This also brought up the issue that on
> >> windows there isnt a ~/.blender
> >> >>>>> directory thats easy to access/create
> >> (I'm not clear on the details).
> >> >>>>> Would be good to have a home dir on
> >> windows too but thats another
> >> >>>>> topic.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:51 PM,
> >> Brecht Van Lommel <brecht at blender.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I don't think we should try to
> >> support people installing scripts there
> >> >>>>>> and try to make the build systems
> >> clever about this. These really are
> >> >>>>>> just standard building rules,
> >> don't work in directories or files that
> >> >>>>>> are autogenerated by the build
> >> system because any changes will get
> >> >>>>>> overwritten. If anyone wants to
> >> make this kind of unsupported usage
> >> >>>>>> more convenient I guess they can,
> >> but more important in my opinion is
> >> >>>>>> fixing the problem of outdated
> >> scripts, and getting loading scripts
> >> >>>>>> from the user directory to work
> >> properly.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Loading from the user directory
> >> seems to be suboptimal on Windows
> >> >>>>>> right now, the expected directory
> >> is this.
> >> >>>>>> C:\Documents and
> >> Settings\User\.blender\scripts
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> That can be changed to this, and
> >> the folder can be created
> >> >>>>>> automatically on startup to make
> >> things easier.
> >> >>>>>> C:\Documents and
> >> Settings\User\Blender Foundation\Blender\scripts
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Brecht.
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> - Campbell
> >> >>>>>
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