[Bf-committers] Quick proposal for "Print Size" settings mode

[Doug Ollivier]

Sounds good to me,  i have no objections to a popup thing like the game 
framing settings.

infact i think that sounds like one of the best ways to deal with it.

with the new saved presets thing would it be possible to add a few page size 
presets? such as A4 A3 CD cover...  or would the presets targeted just at 
print be included in the Print settings popup?

i certainly think that the popup is a good sollution for it though :D

Doulgas Ollivier (Alltaken)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tonroosendaal at chello.nl>
To: "bf-blender developers" <bf-committers at projects.blender.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Bf-committers] Quick proposal for "Print Size" settings mode


> Hi,
>
> (Sending this via webclient, I'm in meetings 2 days).
>
> What about presenting it this way in blender;
>
> In the output format Panel, we can add a "DPI calculator" menu, which pops 
> up like 'Game framing" now. The popup will show:
>
> - Current preset DPI value (can be saved in files too)
> - dimensions derived from this DPI, by choice in mm or inches
>
> Changing the DPI value will alter dimension values, changing dimension 
> values will keep DPI and alter actual 'Pixel' size. Which you will
> see when you close the popup menu.
>
> That way we keep communicating clearly what actual size is that is going 
> to be rendered.
>
> -Ton-
>
> BTW, to know on DPI:
>
> - you can render without AA when you map pixels to dpi one-to-one
> - rendering with AA, makes one pixel getting even more information than 
> just '24 bits RGB'
> - one "dpi" typically only is like 4 bits information on most printers. So 
> it requires multiple 'dots' to represent 1 pixel OK
> - do you know most book/magazine printers rasterize pictures with only 60 
> or 72 points?
> - the 300 DPI demand is for 1-bits graphics, for *text* or vector graphics 
> useful, never for photographs or 3d gfx
>
> Et cetera.
>
>>
>> van: "Fabrizio" <ilac at maltanet.net>
>> datum: 2005/05/10 di AM 12:22:09 CEST
>> aan: <bf-committers at projects.blender.org>
>> onderwerp: [Bf-committers] Quick proposal for "Print Size" settings mode
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> Sorry to intrude on this but as one of those who uses blender daily in a
>> professional environment including for DTP, i'd like to say that i 
>> believe
>> Intrr's patch would actually be very useful.
>>
>> A) For starters it would save me (and others who use blender for print 
>> work
>> eg. architectural montages, character design, etc) the trouble of opening 
>> up
>> an imaging editing package to see what pixel size I have to render my 
>> image
>> to be suitable at my required print size.
>>
>> B) We can use a tooltip to say that a dpi of 200-300dpi is suitable for 
>> most
>> print jobs and should only be changed if the user knows what he/she is
>> doing.
>>
>> C) We shouldn't refrain from introducing useful features because of 
>> expected
>> user incompetence. If you can manage Armatures or particles - you should 
>> be
>> able to manage print size settings!!! ;o)
>>
>> D) 30x20inch render at 600dpi   = 18,000 x 12,000 pixels-  well beyong
>> blender's 10,000 x 10,000 limit. So as long as the Blender internal 
>> limits
>> are still imposed there shouldn't be any problems of Blender crashing at
>> unexpected sizes, correct?
>>
>> Obviously, this is your call Ton, but with the right tooltips it 
>> shouldn't
>> be any more of a problem to the user than any other part of Blender can 
>> be.
>> You could hide the 'print' switch setting in the user prefs area if you
>> really don't want it to be part of 'regular'/default blender but that is
>> something I'd vote against....
>>
>> Anyway, thanks for hearing me out and apologies for the intrusion!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Fabrizio
>>
>> ps. A DTP artist who doesn't know his DPI requirements should change
>> profession.... ;o)
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this is highly disputable to add this by default in a 3D
>> gfx/animation suite. It can even be easily achieved with a Python
>> plugin, offering the GUI in a Script Window. Such specialist additions
>> is exactly what we have a scripting language for.
>>
>> My main concern however is that the general audience, especially most
>> DTP artists, haven't the slightest clue what a DPI actually means, and
>> how to create properly 3D graphics for printing. Blender output is
>> *not* comparable to output of normal 2d layout tools, but instead
>> compares to the output you get from a (digital) camera.
>>
>> Since rendering is done only with pixels in 3d software, with for each
>> pixel an enormous overhead in CPU in memory, I really recommend to keep
>> PIXELS as presented standard in Blender. I'm really not looking forward
>> to a bug report stating "Blender crashes on rendering a 30x20 inch
>> image with 600 DPI".
>>
>> -Ton-
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-committers mailing list
>> Bf-committers at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-committers mailing list
> Bf-committers at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 9/05/2005
>
> 



-- 
No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.7 - Release Date: 9/05/2005