[Bf-committers] Numpy integration

[Campbell Barton]

Some further comments...

clarifications...
- numpy would be a python module available but not loaded on startup
by default (some 3rd party addons may load but we cant help that), to
clarify that this increases download size but not bloat blender.
- by stripping out distutils/tests/oldnumpy/*,c/*.h/__pycache__ -
numpy should add <2mb to download size on all platforms.

drawbacks
- numpy took a long time to upgrade to python3 (~3 years after py3
release), relying on numpy could be a drawback from upgrading python
in the future, or moving to a different implementation (like pypy).
... why I hesitate to depend on it, keeping core scripts using
mathutils (which IMHO isn't overly limiting).
- upgrading numpy will be work for platform maintainers.
- download size (don't have much to add, its a drawback but we could
cut download size back much more effectively other ways if we wanted -
sharing libs for blenderplayer & blender for eg).

(still +1 from me)

- Campbell


On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 4:13 AM, trouble daemon <troubledaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> I gotta say that I kinda agree with the whole size thing being minor
> these days. Besides, the most likely internet access that would have
> low caps would be stuff like 3G or similar, but how many people are
> going to be downloading blender releases on their cell phones and
> iPads?
>
> I think it really depends on if the size increase is justified. If
> adding 3MB to the size of the download will allow plugin authors to
> add new functionality they couldn't easily do otherwise, or to save a
> portion of that through eliminating common repeated code across
> multiple addons, then why not?
>
> Not that I am saying size shouldn't be considered in the long run, but
> there are plenty of ways to deal with size bloat, including things
> like binary diffs or just using existing incremental update systems
> like svn. Worst case, just offer diffs between releases for the more
> advanced users or something perhaps.
>
> Anyways, my $0.02 :) o/
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Knapp <magick.crow at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Given today's 3tb hard drives why are we worried about 10 or less MBs?
>> The only problem I could see are people with expensive download rates
>> (and I am not sure if they exist any more) or really slow connections.
>> I know that bloat is seen as a bad thing at 3 MB but is it really all
>> that much bloat given today's computers?
>>
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