[Bf-committers] New Developer Meeting minutes

[joe]

I use msvc for source editing and debugging, and scons for compiling.
Build systems don't have to replace project files, I use scons mostly
because there's more control that way for what I do.

Joe

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Mike Pan <madonions at gmail.com> wrote:
> As mentioned before, I think one of the key benefit of cmake is the ability
> to generate solution/project files.  This might be not be a huge deal to
> seasoned coders, but for beginner coders who just wants to explore the
> Blender source code a bit, having an IDE like Visual Studio really helps.
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> -mike
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> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:21 PM, joe <joeedh at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Sounds like us scons people need to try out cmake.  See how good it
>> is.  I don't have time now, but will try to get to it.  Also need to
>> look at how easy it is to maintain, that's one of the really nice
>> things about scons.
>>
>> Joe
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>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Miguel A. Figueroa-Villanueva
>> <miguelf at ieee.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:51 AM, Mats Holmberg wrote:
>> >> On 12.1.2010, at 8.39, Nathan Letwory wrote:
>> >>> 2010/1/12 Erwin Coumans:
>> >>>> I'm surprised of so much resistance among the Blender developers
>> >>>> to such a nice build system as cmake.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Erwin
>> >>>
>> >>> We can also reverse the question - we have a very nice and working
>> >>> SCons system. Why would you want to get rid of the nice system I
>> >>> created?
>> >>>
>> >>> "I'm surprised at the resistance among certain people to such a nice
>> >>> build system as SCons"
>> >>
>> >> Just to comment on this: I know nothing about the hassle that is
>> required for maintaining any of these systems, but from a Blender user
>> standpoint scons is very easy to use. As Nathan said, I do "svn up && python
>> scons/scons.py" and that's all that's ever needed. During the years, I
>> haven't seen anything being even close to that kind of ease of use.
>> >>
>> >> Dont' take that away, please!
>> >>
>> >> -mats
>> >
>> > I'm not a community member, so please pardon the intrusion (I am
>> > interested in blender, have compiled it with the cmake system, and I
>> > am looking forward to contributing to it in the future, but haven't
>> > had the time yet...).
>> >
>> > However, I just started reading this thread and it seems to me there
>> > is a lot of resistance, as Erwin mentions, to cmake without real
>> > justification. Although I understand the why, I think the arguments
>> > against CMake are not well founded. Most, if not all, of the problems
>> > that have been mentioned are related to rules either not updated or
>> > wrongly written in the CMakeLists.txt. These are issues with the build
>> > system maintainers not with CMake's capabilities. With properly
>> > written and maintained CMake files you would have both a very powerful
>> > command line based system and an equally powerful IDE based system.
>> >
>> > For example, the argument of ease of use can certainly be used as a
>> > positive aspect of scons, but I find it to be unfounded when arguing
>> > against CMake. That is because I do the following version of "svn up
>> > && python scons/scons.py" to build my projects, not only on Ubuntu but
>> > on Windows:
>> >
>> > ctest -S simple_ctest_script.cmake
>> >
>> > With a small script ctest will: update (from svn,cvs,hg,etc),
>> > configure, build, test, and submit the build to a dashboard (or any
>> > subset of these steps).
>> >
>> > Again, I don't want to argue against scons, but I think that arguments
>> > against cmake are not really flaws of cmake but rather bad experiences
>> > because of not knowing how to do things (either from part of the user
>> > or the build system maintainer) and not giving it enough of a chance.
>> > I think that if the blender community really gives cmake a chance, it
>> > will not be dissapointed with the clean, simple, and flexible product
>> > that cmake can provide. Whether it should then replace, coexist, etc.
>> > with scons is a discussion that I wouldn't feel comfortable providing
>> > any input on.
>> >
>> > Just my $0.02,
>> > --Miguel
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