[Verse-dev] http://www.uni-verse.org/ expired 07/13/2011

Peter Finn peter_finn at hotmail.com
Mon Aug 8 15:21:06 CEST 2011 

Oliver I am in 100% agreement. Stay with BSD.

Jiri I think what we are trying to say is we like what your doing, please keep on doing what your doing and if you continue to do it in the spirit of the original license then your probability of success and opportunity for support will be much greater.


On 2011-08-08, at 8:18 AM, Oliver Daids <oddity007 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On the contrary, I can see GPL causing verse to have less support.  GPL's viral nature would cause many commercial developers to drop it from consideration.  Plus, systems such as the iPhone and consoles that don't allow the dynamic linking required by LGPL would cause that audience to drop verse from consideration as well.  I also fail to see what benefits switching to GPL from BSD would provide, considering that it is an open specification and the reference implementation is open source and GPL compatible to begin with.
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Aug 8, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Peter Finn <peter_finn at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jiri
>> 
>> I really like what your doing to move verse protocol forward and adding TCP / WebSocket support is a great idea as I fully agree verse would be ideal when using a WebGl / WebCL client.  I would like to request you reconsider your decision to change to a GPL license.  If you want verse to be successful you will need software application developers support so they can inbed the protocol directly into their proprietory applications without the use of a plugin. Users may also want to extend the protocol to provide additional functionality specific to their application  The current licence provides that freedom and flexibility.  
>> 
>> Nink
>> 
>> On 2011-08-08, at 4:29 AM, Jiri Hnidek <jiri.hnidek at tul.cz> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> first fo all I would like to thanks Ton for renewing the domain. I agree
>>> with with Nathans plans for this domain. Nathan proposed moving domain
>>> to his server, but the domain could be in the future hosted at server at
>>> our university too. I could create some virtualized server for this
>>> purpose.
>>> 
>>> BTW: What do I do with Verse2 and what are my future plans with Verse2?
>>> You can see progress here:
>>> http://dev.nti.tul.cz/trac/verse2/timeline
>>> And my TODO list here:
>>> http://dev.nti.tul.cz/trac/verse2/report/1
>>> 
>>> Briefly:
>>> * I want to finish implementation of new Verse2 specification in few
>>> months.
>>> * I would like to try to create RFC document for Verse2 specification.
>>> * I want to extend specification and allow communication using TCP and
>>> WebSocket. It would be cool and useful for WebGL application. :-)
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Jiri
>>> 
>>> Nathan Letwory píše v Pá 29. 07. 2011 v 11:52 +0300:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I've asked Ton about the domain and how to handle this. He has now
>>>> renewed the domain for a year, and the original site should be visible
>>>> again within 48 hours (I already see the original site!). Blender
>>>> Foundation will sponsor this domain for one year, so next expiration is
>>>> 13 July 2012.
>>>> 
>>>> Ton suggested we lay down a plan (as Verse users/coders) what we want to
>>>> do with uni-verse.org. I think it would be nice if we as more or less
>>>> active community members (well, 'active' ;) ) can work out something
>>>> that can ensure continuation of uni-verse.org as one point for
>>>> information under our own control.
>>>> 
>>>> I would be happy to host the site eventually, but I'd like to see and
>>>> hear what others on this list think uni-verse.org could and should be
>>>> for Verse.
>>>> 
>>>> My ideas:
>>>> 
>>>> * host binaries for several platforms for download. Update them when
>>>> fixes appear in Verse svn.
>>>> * have a Verse 1 master server and one server running
>>>> * have eventually a Verse 2 server running
>>>> * have a section with history based on what is currently in
>>>> uni-verse.org, mentioning the Uni-Verse consortium, the principle
>>>> developers, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Less essential, but maybe nice, a simple forum (I like django platform,
>>>> and there are several nice ready django apps for simple forums), and a
>>>> way for community members to register to the site and connect there
>>>> (again, I'd use django again to tie this all nicely together).
>>>> 
>>>> Verse developement as a whole I think can still be conducted in the
>>>> several locations we now have: verse repository on svn.blender.org,
>>>> verse 2 repository by Jiris university and VerseSharp on code.google.com
>>>> 
>>>> Let's hear your thoughts!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> /Nathan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 28.7.2011 23:20, Gert Svensson wrote:
>>>>> It is completely OK if you like to run the domain for a while. If you
>>>>> just wait a while it will be free.
>>>>> Ton at the Blender foundation registrered the domain so if you contact
>>>>> him I'm sure you can take it directly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gert
>>>>> 
>>>>> vizzy skrev 2011-07-28 20:53:
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i hate it if well known domains and url changes.... or get lost... a
>>>>>> lot of very useful informations got lost in the net this way :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> can we get the domain back? or what happens if i would register this
>>>>>> domain now? will anyone send an ack?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a snapshot of information would be cool to not 'loose' all the
>>>>>> knowledge. maybe just a link to the new archived site (if that exists)
>>>>>> and forwarding will do it ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i could host the domain for free for at leats 1 registration period of
>>>>>> 1 or 2 years or so.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> vizzy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gert Svensson wrote:
>>>>>> We took a copy of the information before we let it go. My belief was
>>>>>> that we would have a link to the webpages from our pdc.kth.se webpage
>>>>>> but that doesn't seem to have happened.
>>>>>> I will check if that is still possible. Otherwise if someone else want
>>>>>> to do it,,,,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> Gert
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> vizzy skrev 2011-07-28 16:19:
>>>>>>>> :O please don't go :) verse is so ... sweet and cool stuff :)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> we should make the information available. i could offer hosting
>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>> webspace for it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> volker
>>>>>>>> aka vizzy
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jiri Hnidek wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> I want to point athttp://www.uni-verse.org/. There is
>>>>>>>> information, that
>>>>>>>>>> this domain:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "uni-verse.org expired on 07/13/2011 and is pending renewal or
>>>>>>>>>> deletion."
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think, there were some interesting information. Can I help
>>>>>>>> with this?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jiri
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