Hi My internet finally kicked in, and im wow back properly. I just got Xcode working on my IBook and it looks like verse runs fine. (i had to add sys/time.h to the network file. any one else had this problem?) All you non windows users should be happy to hear i now have Gcc/unix platform to compile on. I will be away next week at an OpenGL meeting but i hope i can get the new version out by then. Cheers E