From compman at compteks.net  Sat Jan  1 05:30:40 2005
From: compman at compteks.net (Compman)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:30:40 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <6C063868-5AB1-11D9-AF9F-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <5773DF2A-590F-11D9-8823-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20041229102054.01ac1438@mail.compteks.net>
	<6C063868-5AB1-11D9-AF9F-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041231233006.01b6c910@mail.compteks.net>

Ton gave me publishing access a long time ago. I always publish these right 
after adding them.

-Compman

At 05:23 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>Thanks!
>
>Can you now publish these pages yourself, or do I need to push the button?
>
>Bart
>
>Op 29-dec-04 om 16:21 heeft Compman het volgende geschreven:
>
>>Added, added, added, and added. :-)
>>
>>-Compman
>>
>>At 03:30 PM 12/28/2004, you wrote:
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>some new tutorials!
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Bart
>>
>>Begin doorgestuurd bericht:
>>
>>
>>Van: Olivier Saraja <olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org>
>>Datum: 27 december 2004 18:35:52 GMT+01:00
>>Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
>>Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
>>Antwoord aan: Olivier Saraja <olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org>
>>
>>
>>NAME
>>Olivier Saraja
>>
>>
>>EMAIL
>>olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org
>>
>>
>>I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
>>Submit a link to a tutorial
>>
>>
>>MESSAGE
>>Hi,
>>
>>here are a few tutorials that could be added to the tutorials list, among
>>those I've written and that are already featuring on
>>
>><http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Tutorials.243.0.html>http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Tutorials.243.0.html 
>>. I've already written the
>>"Using Subsurfaces for Head Modeling" and "The Spotlight" tutorials in the
>>past, but I feel it's not enough a contribution for the community ;) This is
>>mainly why I put altogether a brand new website: 
>><http://www.feeblemind.org>http://www.feeblemind.org.
>>There, you will find four new tutorials (at the moment) that could possibly
>>feature in the blender3d list:
>>
>>-Material indice:
>>
>><http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/21/5-blender-indices-materiau---material-indice>http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/21/5-blender-indices-materiau---material-indice 
>>
>>-Making rain:
>><http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/24/4-blender-faire-pleuvoir---making-rain>http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/24/4-blender-faire-pleuvoir---making-rain 
>>
>>-Reflections:
>><http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/26/6-didacticiel-les-reflets---tutorial-reflections>http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/26/6-didacticiel-les-reflets---tutorial-reflections 
>>
>>-Transparency:
>>
>><http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/26/7-didacticiel-la-refraction---tutorial-refraction>http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2004/12/26/7-didacticiel-la-refraction---tutorial-refraction 
>>
>>
>>More will come, targeting at answering themost basic questions of the
>>
>>beginners...
>>
>><br>
>><div>_______________________________________________</div>
>><div>Bf-webcontent mailing list</div>
>><div>Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org</div>
>><div><a 
>>href="<http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent>http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent" 
>>EUDORA=AUTOURL>http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent</a></div> 
>>
>></blockquote></x-html>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>><http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent>http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent 
>>
><br>
><div>_______________________________________________</div>
><div>Bf-webcontent mailing list</div>
><div>Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org</div>
><div><a href="http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent" 
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From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Sat Jan  1 15:30:35 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:30:35 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
Message-ID: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>

hi bart/matt/nathan,

typo3 always scales down uploaded images and saves it with quite bad quality. can one of you 
increase either the jpg quality or the max image size.

thanks!

johannes


From compman at compteks.net  Mon Jan  3 04:47:47 2005
From: compman at compteks.net (Compman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050102224642.01b4eaf8@mail.compteks.net>

You can set the sizes you want the image, the full image is still there I 
think, just resized. I think you have to tell Typo3 to show you advanced 
options.

-Compman

At 09:30 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
>hi bart/matt/nathan,
>
>typo3 always scales down uploaded images and saves it with quite bad 
>quality. can one of you increase either the jpg quality or the max image size.
>
>thanks!
>
>johannes
>_______________________________________________
>Bf-webcontent mailing list
>Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan  3 08:17:14 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:17:14 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050102224642.01b4eaf8@mail.compteks.net>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
	<6.1.2.0.2.20050102224642.01b4eaf8@mail.compteks.net>
Message-ID: <7E7EB91A-5D57-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi,

yes you can, but that option should not be used if not really needed as 
it would break the consistency of the site design. I can control the 
quality of the scaled image (the JPG quality if you like), and I though 
it was already set to high. I'll look in to this later this week. First 
I have to finish some freelance Typo3 stuff ;-)

Johannes: did you mean specific images, or all site images?

Bart

Op 3-jan-05 om 4:47 heeft Compman het volgende geschreven:

> You can set the sizes you want the image, the full image is still 
> there I think, just resized. I think you have to tell Typo3 to show 
> you advanced options.
>
> -Compman
>
> At 09:30 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
>> hi bart/matt/nathan,
>>
>> typo3 always scales down uploaded images and saves it with quite bad 
>> quality. can one of you increase either the jpg quality or the max 
>> image size.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> johannes
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Mon Jan  3 15:02:31 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:02:31 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <7E7EB91A-5D57-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>	<6.1.2.0.2.20050102224642.01b4eaf8@mail.compteks.net>
	<7E7EB91A-5D57-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41D95077.4040102@gmx.de>



Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:

 > Johannes: did you mean specific images, or all site images?

i have added some more screenshots at the features page (isn't complete 
and published yet). and all images which are larger than 900px or so 
will automaticly scaled down and saved with low quality.

johannes


From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Mon Jan  3 17:45:15 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 17:45:15 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] new video
Message-ID: <41D9769B.8060201@gmx.de>

http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35581

you will find there a video tutorial that shows you how to make a normal 
map of an object. this could be something for the video tutorials page.

johannes


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Tue Jan  4 08:03:02 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:03:02 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <ACC48CAF-5E1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: Olivier Saraja <olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org>
> Datum: 3 januari 2005 22:08:36 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: Olivier Saraja <olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org>
>
> NAME
> Olivier Saraja?
>
> EMAIL
> olivier.saraja at linuxgraphic.org?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Submit a link to a tutorial?
>
> MESSAGE
> Hi B at rt, here's a new tutorial link, it's all about Area lights...
>   
> http://feeblemind.homeip.net/dotclear/index.php/2005/01/02/9- 
> didacticiel-les-aires-lumineuses---tutorial-area-lights
>  feel free to add it to the tutorial list.
>  Cheers,
>  olivS
>  ?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Tue Jan  4 08:07:01 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:07:01 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <41D95077.4040102@gmx.de>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>	<6.1.2.0.2.20050102224642.01b4eaf8@mail.compteks.net>
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	<41D95077.4040102@gmx.de>
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Hi Johannes,

Ok. We have the same problem in the gallery - it is on my todo list, 
but it will take some time.

Bart

Op 3-jan-05 om 15:02 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

>
>
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>
> > Johannes: did you mean specific images, or all site images?
>
> i have added some more screenshots at the features page (isn't 
> complete and published yet). and all images which are larger than 
> 900px or so will automaticly scaled down and saved with low quality.
>
> johannes
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Tue Jan  4 20:14:19 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:14:19 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Features Page Update
Message-ID: <41DAEB0B.6020705@gmx.de>

I have updated the Features Page.

http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Features.155.0.html

Johannes


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Tue Jan  4 20:27:45 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 20:27:45 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Features Page Update
In-Reply-To: <41DAEB0B.6020705@gmx.de>
References: <41DAEB0B.6020705@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <B5A80271-5E86-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Wow! It looks *really* nice with all those screenshots. I'll do my best 
to crank up the compression quality this week.

Bart

Op 4-jan-05 om 20:14 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

> I have updated the Features Page.
>
> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Features.155.0.html
>
> Johannes
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 10:57:42 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:57:42 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <3DE0F754-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Johannes,

I have tweaked the popup display to use 90% JPG's now; it's always a 
tradeoff between quality and filesize of course, but how do you like it 
now?

Bart

Op 1-jan-05 om 15:30 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

> hi bart/matt/nathan,
>
> typo3 always scales down uploaded images and saves it with quite bad 
> quality. can one of you increase either the jpg quality or the max 
> image size.
>
> thanks!
>
> johannes
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 10:59:02 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
Message-ID: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi,

I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not found' 
page on blender3d.org so I created one:

http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere

I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new stuff 
to add or change, I'd like to hear it!

Cheers,

Bart



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 10:59:55 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:59:55 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <<879d6c83613708e9f4f172a63f6f8aca@domain.tld>>
References: <<879d6c83613708e9f4f172a63f6f8aca@domain.tld>>
Message-ID: <8D2CE5D5-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Pierre,

I'll ask the maintainer of that section to update it and get back to 
you when it's ready.

Cheers,

Bart

Op 5-jan-05 om 11:03 heeft pierre gramain het volgende geschreven:

> NAME
> pierre gramain?
>
> EMAIL
> pierre.gramain at laposte.net?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> Hello !
>  I am referenced in the "artists" section, with the adress of my old 
> site. Could you change with THIS adress :
>  http://www.blenderman.org/pierre/?
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From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Wed Jan  5 13:24:51 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:24:51 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] typo3 scales images
In-Reply-To: <3DE0F754-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <41D6B40B.3010509@gmx.de>
	<3DE0F754-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41DBDC93.4070900@gmx.de>

hi bart,

thanks a lot. it looks great now!

johannes



Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> Hi Johannes,
> 
> I have tweaked the popup display to use 90% JPG's now; it's always a 
> tradeoff between quality and filesize of course, but how do you like it 
> now?
> 
> Bart
> 
> Op 1-jan-05 om 15:30 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> hi bart/matt/nathan,
>>
>> typo3 always scales down uploaded images and saves it with quite bad 
>> quality. can one of you increase either the jpg quality or the max 
>> image size.
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> johannes
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 


From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Wed Jan  5 13:35:44 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>

nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo has 
its own htaccess file.

http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html

johannes



Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not found' page 
> on blender3d.org so I created one:
> 
> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
> 
> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new stuff to 
> add or change, I'd like to hear it!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bart
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 14:19:12 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:19:12 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hmmm, well nothing is perfect ;-)

It also broke the eshop admin pages somehow, so for the moment I had to 
disable the new errorpage. (Ton had to do a shipment today)

Bart

Op 5-jan-05 om 13:35 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

> nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo has 
> its own htaccess file.
>
> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html
>
> johannes
>
>
>
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>> Hi,
>> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not found' 
>> page on blender3d.org so I created one:
>> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
>> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new stuff 
>> to add or change, I'd like to hear it!
>> Cheers,
>> Bart
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 14:37:07 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:37:07 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <E4D1F5A4-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: "Thomas V.Rogers Jr" <tvrogersjr at VERIZON.NET>
> Datum: 5 januari 2005 14:34:27 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: "Thomas V.Rogers Jr" <tvrogersjr at VERIZON.NET>
>
> NAME
> Thomas V. Rogers Jr?
>
> EMAIL
> tvrogersjr at VERIZON.NET?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> I can't seem to download tutorials authored by Greybeard. Is this a 
> temporary situation??
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 14:37:38 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>
	<63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <F73BCD7F-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Ok, it's back up!

I'll still have to think about what to do with the type of not found 
that you show...

Bart

Op 5-jan-05 om 14:19 heeft Bart Veldhuizen het volgende geschreven:

> Hmmm, well nothing is perfect ;-)
>
> It also broke the eshop admin pages somehow, so for the moment I had 
> to disable the new errorpage. (Ton had to do a shipment today)
>
> Bart
>
> Op 5-jan-05 om 13:35 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>
>> nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo 
>> has its own htaccess file.
>>
>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html
>>
>> johannes
>>
>>
>>
>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>> Hi,
>>> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not found' 
>>> page on blender3d.org so I created one:
>>> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
>>> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new 
>>> stuff to add or change, I'd like to hear it!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bart
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Wed Jan  5 14:58:48 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:58:48 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <F73BCD7F-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>	<41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>	<63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<F73BCD7F-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41DBF298.7060302@gmx.de>

i think you have to install an extension :-|

johannes



Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> Ok, it's back up!
> 
> I'll still have to think about what to do with the type of not found 
> that you show...
> 
> Bart
> 
> Op 5-jan-05 om 14:19 heeft Bart Veldhuizen het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> Hmmm, well nothing is perfect ;-)
>>
>> It also broke the eshop admin pages somehow, so for the moment I had 
>> to disable the new errorpage. (Ton had to do a shipment today)
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Op 5-jan-05 om 13:35 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo 
>>> has its own htaccess file.
>>>
>>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html
>>>
>>> johannes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not found' 
>>>> page on blender3d.org so I created one:
>>>> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
>>>> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new 
>>>> stuff to add or change, I'd like to hear it!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Bart
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan  5 15:15:40 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:15:40 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <41DBF298.7060302@gmx.de>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>	<41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>	<63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<F73BCD7F-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<41DBF298.7060302@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <47919CBE-5F24-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Fixed! Without using an extension :-) Typo3 has a standard 'not found' 
handler (which is not the same as the Apache 404 document).

Does it work ok now?

Bart

Op 5-jan-05 om 14:58 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:

> i think you have to install an extension :-|
>
> johannes
>
>
>
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>> Ok, it's back up!
>> I'll still have to think about what to do with the type of not found 
>> that you show...
>> Bart
>> Op 5-jan-05 om 14:19 heeft Bart Veldhuizen het volgende geschreven:
>>> Hmmm, well nothing is perfect ;-)
>>>
>>> It also broke the eshop admin pages somehow, so for the moment I had 
>>> to disable the new errorpage. (Ton had to do a shipment today)
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> Op 5-jan-05 om 13:35 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo 
>>>> has its own htaccess file.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html
>>>>
>>>> johannes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not 
>>>>> found' page on blender3d.org so I created one:
>>>>> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
>>>>> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new 
>>>>> stuff to add or change, I'd like to hear it!
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Bart
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Wed Jan  5 16:02:05 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 16:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Errorpage
In-Reply-To: <47919CBE-5F24-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <6DA8C735-5F00-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>	<41DBDF20.7030807@gmx.de>	<63B6ED71-5F1C-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>	<F73BCD7F-5F1E-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>	<41DBF298.7060302@gmx.de>
	<47919CBE-5F24-11D9-8AF5-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41DC016D.90905@gmx.de>

YES :D

Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> Fixed! Without using an extension :-) Typo3 has a standard 'not found' 
> handler (which is not the same as the Apache 404 document).
> 
> Does it work ok now?
> 
> Bart
> 
> Op 5-jan-05 om 14:58 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> i think you have to install an extension :-|
>>
>> johannes
>>
>>
>>
>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>
>>> Ok, it's back up!
>>> I'll still have to think about what to do with the type of not found 
>>> that you show...
>>> Bart
>>> Op 5-jan-05 om 14:19 heeft Bart Veldhuizen het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Hmmm, well nothing is perfect ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It also broke the eshop admin pages somehow, so for the moment I had 
>>>> to disable the new errorpage. (Ton had to do a shipment today)
>>>>
>>>> Bart
>>>>
>>>> Op 5-jan-05 om 13:35 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>> nice idea! but it doesn't work in any case yet. it seems that typo 
>>>>> has its own htaccess file.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/new_page.506.0.html
>>>>>
>>>>> johannes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I just realised today that we didn't have a proper 'Page not 
>>>>>> found' page on blender3d.org so I created one:
>>>>>> http://blender3d.org/iAmNotHere
>>>>>> I borrowed the idea from ebay.com; if there are ideas about new 
>>>>>> stuff to add or change, I'd like to hear it!
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Sat Jan  8 08:46:09 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <5C2DEBD8-6149-11D9-AF2F-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: Jeff Wainright <jwainright at tribmail.com>
> Datum: 7 januari 2005 23:49:26 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: Jeff Wainright <jwainright at tribmail.com>
>
> NAME
> Jeff Wainright?
>
> EMAIL
> jwainright at tribmail.com?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> "Robbie's Rough Explosion" tut in Specials goes to a Yahoo Groups 
> "Page not found" screen.?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Sun Jan  9 20:02:57 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 20:02:57 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <13395CEC-6271-11D9-8FAC-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: wayman harris <thewaymann at hotmail.com>
> Datum: 6 januari 2005 21:43:59 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: wayman harris <thewaymann at hotmail.com>
>
> NAME
> wayman harris?
>
> EMAIL
> thewaymann at hotmail.com?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> every video tutorial that I try does not work. at first I thought it 
> was just my computer, then nI tryed it on othere one s and still no 
> luck..... please fix the links.....I love blender so far..... I work 
> with to many programs to try and read tutorials on all the?
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From johannes.langlotz at gmx.de  Sun Jan  9 21:28:43 2005
From: johannes.langlotz at gmx.de (Johannes Langlotz)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:28:43 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <13395CEC-6271-11D9-8FAC-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <13395CEC-6271-11D9-8FAC-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41E193FB.80301@gmx.de>

i think mirror2 is broken. mirro1 and 3 works fine.

johannes

Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
> 
> 
> Begin doorgestuurd bericht:
> 
>> Van: wayman harris <thewaymann at hotmail.com>
>> Datum: 6 januari 2005 21:43:59 GMT+01:00
>> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
>> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
>> Antwoord aan: wayman harris <thewaymann at hotmail.com>
>>
>> NAME
>> wayman harris 
>>
>> EMAIL
>> thewaymann at hotmail.com 
>>
>> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
>> Report a broken link 
>>
>> MESSAGE
>> every video tutorial that I try does not work. at first I thought it 
>> was just my computer, then nI tryed it on othere one s and still no 
>> luck..... please fix the links.....I love blender so far..... I work 
>> with to many programs to try and read tutorials on all the 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent


From mplough at Princeton.EDU  Mon Jan 10 07:32:14 2005
From: mplough at Princeton.EDU (Matthew H. Plough)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:32:14 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Art video and NTSC
Message-ID: <41E2216E.5000204@princeton.edu>

Is an NTSC version of the Art Festival video available?  I ask this for 
two reasons:

1) You can't play PAL on American TVs
2) There is a really nasty frame sync issue that resembles a bad 3:2 
pulldown on a few of the animations.  It is most obvious on the 
spaceship/city animation, but is present in other ones as well.  Of 
course, it's not actually a 3:2 pulldown, as that involves going from 24 
fps to 30, but it's the same jerkiness.

Thanks!

Matt


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan 10 08:07:44 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:07:44 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Art video and NTSC
In-Reply-To: <41E2216E.5000204@princeton.edu>
References: <41E2216E.5000204@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <537A3536-62D6-11D9-8FAC-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Matt,

no, I'm afraid we only have a PAL version. The point you make about the 
sync issue is correct; contestants were asked to supply PAL material, 
but some of them didn't do that. Unfortunately, I don't have the means 
to properly resync the movie (and even then, the result is often ugly)

Cheers,

Bart

Op 10-jan-05 om 7:32 heeft Matthew H. Plough het volgende geschreven:

> Is an NTSC version of the Art Festival video available?  I ask this 
> for two reasons:
>
> 1) You can't play PAL on American TVs
> 2) There is a really nasty frame sync issue that resembles a bad 3:2 
> pulldown on a few of the animations.  It is most obvious on the 
> spaceship/city animation, but is present in other ones as well.  Of 
> course, it's not actually a 3:2 pulldown, as that involves going from 
> 24 fps to 30, but it's the same jerkiness.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From sswaney at centurytel.net  Mon Jan 10 14:46:06 2005
From: sswaney at centurytel.net (Stephen Swaney)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:46:06 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Art video and NTSC
In-Reply-To: <41E2216E.5000204@princeton.edu>;
	from mplough@Princeton.EDU on Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 01:32:14AM
	-0500
References: <41E2216E.5000204@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <20050110084606.A20584@ratbyte>

On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 01:32:14AM -0500, Matthew H. Plough wrote:
> Is an NTSC version of the Art Festival video available?  I ask this for 
> two reasons:
> 
> 1) You can't play PAL on American TVs

Ummm, not strictly true.  I have a cheap-ass ( Ampex brand )
dvd player that seems quite happy playing PAL stuff in spite
of the differences between PAL and NTSC.

I have NOT tried burning a video cd of the Art Festival though.
That would be an interesting experiment.

-- 
Stephen Swaney			
sswaney at centurytel.net



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Tue Jan 11 01:01:54 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:01:54 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
Message-ID: <41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>

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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 12 07:02:40 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:02:40 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <90EC3974-645F-11D9-88B4-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: Wray B <bmud at osysi.net>
> Datum: 12 januari 2005 0:15:05 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: Wray B <bmud at osysi.net>
>
> NAME
> Wray B?
>
> EMAIL
> bmud at osysi.net?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> the 3ds max importer exporter script on the python script page is 
> broken. I deleted my copy(s) when I updated to 2.36 acciedentaly. 
> Thanks.?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Sun Jan 16 13:04:45 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:04:45 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <CFE62B76-67B6-11D9-A20F-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

This one is about the Artists section.

Bart

Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: chriss <admin at web-play-3d.de>
> Datum: 15 januari 2005 18:45:24 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: chriss <admin at web-play-3d.de>
>
> NAME
> chriss?
>
> EMAIL
> admin at web-play-3d.de?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> http://www.nielsphilipsen.com/ is broken (the secont entry)?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Tue Jan 18 08:20:57 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:20:57 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] PathLen
Message-ID: <7F85F218-6921-11D9-8349-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi,

I was just answering a question for someone when I noticed that the 
documentation on Paths isn't correct anymore:

http://download.blender.org/documentation/html/x4706.html

the PathLen parameters can now be found under the Editing (F9) buttons.

Cheers,

Bart



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Wed Jan 19 03:20:11 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:20:11 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] BitTorrent tracker for Video tutorials is down
In-Reply-To: <20050118110009.F35091C0997@bserve2.blender.org>
References: <20050118110009.F35091C0997@bserve2.blender.org>
Message-ID: <41EDC3DB.3050601@icubenetwork.com>

Well, as it turns out having a BitTorrent tracker is against my hosting 
company's Terms of Service. Fortunately the number of people downloading 
these files though BitTorrent has slowed down (until I release my next 
batch of videos), so loosing the torrent tracker isn't that big of an 
issue right now for our mirrors. However BitTorrent has helped 
considerably in the past and I'd like to have it up again someplace else 
before I put new files up. I'll need to find another torrent tracker 
since I can't host it on my site. Any ideas or offers?

In the mean time I'm removing the .torrent links from the video tutorial 
section.

- Glen


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 19 07:08:14 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:08:14 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] BitTorrent tracker for Video tutorials is down
In-Reply-To: <41EDC3DB.3050601@icubenetwork.com>
References: <20050118110009.F35091C0997@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41EDC3DB.3050601@icubenetwork.com>
Message-ID: <81710685-69E0-11D9-8349-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Glen,

we are looking if we can provide our own tracker on blender.org to 
serve large media files. Can you give us an indication of the kind of 
traffic that we should expect from a tracker?

Also, how do you make sure that your files are always seeded by at 
least one server? We tried to run a bittorrent client on blender.org as 
well, but it (the Python version) was giving such large loads that we 
had to kill it. Are you aware of C/C++ based solutions?

Bart

Op 19-jan-05 om 3:20 heeft Glen Moyes het volgende geschreven:

> Well, as it turns out having a BitTorrent tracker is against my 
> hosting company's Terms of Service. Fortunately the number of people 
> downloading these files though BitTorrent has slowed down (until I 
> release my next batch of videos), so loosing the torrent tracker isn't 
> that big of an issue right now for our mirrors. However BitTorrent has 
> helped considerably in the past and I'd like to have it up again 
> someplace else before I put new files up. I'll need to find another 
> torrent tracker since I can't host it on my site. Any ideas or offers?
>
> In the mean time I'm removing the .torrent links from the video 
> tutorial section.
>
> - Glen
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Wed Jan 19 09:18:03 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:18:03 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: BitTorrent tracker for Video tutorials is down
In-Reply-To: <81710685-69E0-11D9-8349-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
References: <20050118110009.F35091C0997@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41EDC3DB.3050601@icubenetwork.com>
	<81710685-69E0-11D9-8349-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41EE17BB.9060201@icubenetwork.com>

The bandwidth traffic caused by a BitTorrent tracker is minimal. I mean, 
REALLY small. Maybe a few meg or something a day. It just sends out IP 
addresses of people that have the file. So it won't do anything 
significant to the web site as far as bandwidth is concerned.

The files can be seeded from any machine that has a connection to the 
Internet. Basically that boils down to the community helps seed the 
files. The only way you can make sure that the files are seeded are to 
seed them all yourself. So far this has been very successful within the 
community. I guess you could put a BitTorrent client on the server so 
there will always be at least one seed, but I wouldn't recommend that 
unless you know it won't mess up performance on the site.

I use a PHP based tracker. There are some good ones that I haven't 
checked out yet that allows you some admin options (so you can only have 
a set number of people that can upload torrents). If CPU is the issue 
you can do a search on "BitTorrent Tracker C" to get some results on 
sourceforge.net

- Glen

Bart Veldhuizen wrote:

> Glen,
>
> we are looking if we can provide our own tracker on blender.org to 
> serve large media files. Can you give us an indication of the kind of 
> traffic that we should expect from a tracker?
>
> Also, how do you make sure that your files are always seeded by at 
> least one server? We tried to run a bittorrent client on blender.org 
> as well, but it (the Python version) was giving such large loads that 
> we had to kill it. Are you aware of C/C++ based solutions?
>
> Bart
>
>
>


From compman at compteks.net  Sun Jan 23 22:30:06 2005
From: compman at compteks.net (Compman)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Updated Tutorials Section
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050123162857.01b796c8@pop.east.cox.net>

I looked back through my archives of the bf-webcontent list for the past 
month. Added a tut and got rid of one with a broken link. Also fixed some 
poor grammar on the Quickstart Page.

-Compman



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Sun Jan 23 22:51:04 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:51:04 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..
Message-ID: <E0FDC081-6D88-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi all,

Here's a quick note on some of the stuff that I've been working on for 
the last few days.

After a dinner with Ton on friday night, we concluded that the e-shop 
could use some more attention on the site. Some of our regular users 
are not even aware that we HAVE a shop! :) Since the eshop pays the 
bills for the Blender Foundation, I decided to experiment a bit with 
some new techniques. Here's a first result. It shows ok in Firefox, but 
I haven't tried Internet Explorer yet:

http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=510

I also played a bit with the information on the download page (which I 
think currently isn't very good). Here's a short analysis that I did 
tonight: http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/download_page.pdf (in case 
you're interested, the rest of my thoughts on the current site and 
possible improvements are here: 
http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/site_analysis.pdf )

After playing around a bit with the page, here's a revised version that 
reflects some of the comments I made:

http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=513

I'll keep you posted on any new developments.

Cheers,

Bart



From Doug at mudpuddle.co.nz  Mon Jan 24 02:24:15 2005
From: Doug at mudpuddle.co.nz (Doug Ollivier)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:24:15 +1300
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..
References: <E0FDC081-6D88-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <001601c501b3$6ac58330$0400a8c0@dougs>

Hmm the insert test doesn't really do it for me :(

i'd much rather a banner in the "blank space" of the title bar than somthing 
right smack bang in the middle of the content.

but i guess its up to you as to how its positioned for most effectivness.

Alltaken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bart Veldhuizen" <bart at vrotvrot.com>
To: "Blender3d.org web editors maillist" 
<bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org>
Cc: "Ton Roosendaal" <ton at blender.org>
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..


> Hi all,
>
> Here's a quick note on some of the stuff that I've been working on for the 
> last few days.
>
> After a dinner with Ton on friday night, we concluded that the e-shop 
> could use some more attention on the site. Some of our regular users are 
> not even aware that we HAVE a shop! :) Since the eshop pays the bills for 
> the Blender Foundation, I decided to experiment a bit with some new 
> techniques. Here's a first result. It shows ok in Firefox, but I haven't 
> tried Internet Explorer yet:
>
> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=510
>
> I also played a bit with the information on the download page (which I 
> think currently isn't very good). Here's a short analysis that I did 
> tonight: http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/download_page.pdf (in case you're 
> interested, the rest of my thoughts on the current site and possible 
> improvements are here: http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/site_analysis.pdf )
>
> After playing around a bit with the page, here's a revised version that 
> reflects some of the comments I made:
>
> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=513
>
> I'll keep you posted on any new developments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bart
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>
>
>
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From sswaney at centurytel.net  Mon Jan 24 06:57:35 2005
From: sswaney at centurytel.net (Stephen Swaney)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:57:35 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..
In-Reply-To: <001601c501b3$6ac58330$0400a8c0@dougs>;
	from Doug@mudpuddle.co.nz on Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:24:15PM +1300
References: <E0FDC081-6D88-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<001601c501b3$6ac58330$0400a8c0@dougs>
Message-ID: <20050124005735.D20184@ratbyte>

On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 02:24:15PM +1300, Doug Ollivier wrote:
> Hmm the insert test doesn't really do it for me :(
> 
> i'd much rather a banner in the "blank space" of the title bar than somthing 
> right smack bang in the middle of the content.
> 
> but i guess its up to you as to how its positioned for most effectivness.

The insert looks ok in Opera.  It shows up on the right-hand side
of the content with the content text sort of flowing around it.

Very visible, but does not get in the way. 

-- 
Stephen Swaney			
sswaney at centurytel.net



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan 24 08:38:32 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:38:32 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..
In-Reply-To: <001601c501b3$6ac58330$0400a8c0@dougs>
References: <E0FDC081-6D88-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>
	<001601c501b3$6ac58330$0400a8c0@dougs>
Message-ID: <F26A2467-6DDA-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Doug,

are you using Internet Explorer? I haven't been able to test the code 
for that.

About your remark: my idea is that we do not only use these blocks for 
e-shop products, but also for content-related stuff such as 'related 
links' or 'action links' such as the download link at the top-right of 
most Mozilla.org pages like http://www.mozilla.org/products/camino/

I do feel that placing these blocks inside the content as opposed to 
inside the header (which I quite like by the way; it would be a waste 
to paste a banner in it) would be much more effective in grabbing the 
reader's attention, wouldn't you?

Bart

Op 24-jan-05 om 2:24 heeft Doug Ollivier het volgende geschreven:

> Hmm the insert test doesn't really do it for me :(
>
> i'd much rather a banner in the "blank space" of the title bar than 
> somthing right smack bang in the middle of the content.
>
> but i guess its up to you as to how its positioned for most 
> effectivness.
>
> Alltaken
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart Veldhuizen" 
> <bart at vrotvrot.com>
> To: "Blender3d.org web editors maillist" 
> <bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org>
> Cc: "Ton Roosendaal" <ton at blender.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:51 AM
> Subject: [Bf-webcontent] What I've been doing..
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here's a quick note on some of the stuff that I've been working on 
>> for the last few days.
>>
>> After a dinner with Ton on friday night, we concluded that the e-shop 
>> could use some more attention on the site. Some of our regular users 
>> are not even aware that we HAVE a shop! :) Since the eshop pays the 
>> bills for the Blender Foundation, I decided to experiment a bit with 
>> some new techniques. Here's a first result. It shows ok in Firefox, 
>> but I haven't tried Internet Explorer yet:
>>
>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=510
>>
>> I also played a bit with the information on the download page (which 
>> I think currently isn't very good). Here's a short analysis that I 
>> did tonight: http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/download_page.pdf (in case 
>> you're interested, the rest of my thoughts on the current site and 
>> possible improvements are here: 
>> http://vrotvrot.com/stuff/b3d/site_analysis.pdf )
>>
>> After playing around a bit with the page, here's a revised version 
>> that reflects some of the comments I made:
>>
>> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/index.php?id=513
>>
>> I'll keep you posted on any new developments.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 26 08:01:03 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:01:03 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Fwd: Blender.org website section email
Message-ID: <0B0A6922-6F68-11D9-9DD7-000D93293896@vrotvrot.com>



Begin doorgestuurd bericht:

> Van: Kamal <ecofriend at yahoo.com>
> Datum: 26 januari 2005 8:04:21 GMT+01:00
> Aan: bart at vrotvrot.com
> Onderwerp: Blender.org website section email
> Antwoord aan: Kamal <ecofriend at yahoo.com>
>
> NAME
> Kamal?
>
> EMAIL
> ecofriend at yahoo.com?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> BlenderIndia link in the english section at 
> http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html appears to be broken.?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 26 21:03:10 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:03:10 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <<dd7c4ada18f58d92e0954fc12a29d82b@domain.tld>>
References: <<dd7c4ada18f58d92e0954fc12a29d82b@domain.tld>>
Message-ID: <9fb8e2257b7cdc51dd6e66ba75dd319c@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Jason,

the Publisher product is no longer relevant; everything is available 
for free from our website now. If you download Blender, you will find 
the ability to create and write stand alone games inside it. I am now 
aware that there are references to it in the manual and on our 
websites; we will take care to remove these references.

Cheers,

Bart


Op 24-jan-05 om 4:32 heeft Jason McGinnis het volgende geschreven:

> NAME
> Jason McGinnis?
>
> EMAIL
> jasoncmcg at yahoo.com?
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Suggest a content correction?
>
> MESSAGE
> I see various references to the Blender Publisher.. but no evidence of 
> it's existance. I am confused if Blender has a stand-alone player or 
> not.... I am sure that I would not be the only one.?
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 26 21:05:31 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:05:31 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <<5f5e0ab8e87ccda6140739dfab7e2eac@domain.tld>>
References: <<5f5e0ab8e87ccda6140739dfab7e2eac@domain.tld>>
Message-ID: <7b4d26ed37be1c53ed84516d09dd8dc9@vrotvrot.com>

Thanks Jonathan, I'll pass this message to our tutorial maintainer.

Cheers,

Bart

Op 12-jan-05 om 11:28 heeft Jonathan Newnham het volgende geschreven:

> http://www.linuxgraphic.org/section3d/blender/pages/didacticiels/ 
> didacticiel-ang.html
>
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 26 21:06:48 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:06:48 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
Message-ID: <43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>

We are working on a mirroring system for the Blender downloads. Once 
we're good to go, I'll check to see if some of them are willing to 
mirror the video tutorials as well.

Talking about video tutorials, I believe that I still need to finish 
some work for the tutorials section. I'll try to find some time soon! 
:)

Bart

Op 11-jan-05 om 1:01 heeft Glen Moyes het volgende geschreven:

> I talked with Dave Hope (the guy that runs the server that "Mirror 2" 
> links to), and he said that the "fileserver is having some issues" and 
> that it probably didn't have anything to do with the video tutorial 
> downloads. He's working on it. I think I might just keep the links up 
> until I hear from him again saying that the problem may take more than 
> a day to fix. It's such a pain to click on every paragraph to change 
> all the links to one server.
>
> - Glen
>
> I_WOULD_LIKE_TO
> Report a broken link?
>
> MESSAGE
> every video tutorial that I try does not work. at first I thought it
> was just my computer, then nI tryed it on othere one s and still no
> luck..... please fix the links.....I love blender so far..... I work
> with to many programs to try and read tutorials on all the?
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
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From bart at vrotvrot.com  Wed Jan 26 21:14:08 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:14:08 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Some more tutorial resources
Message-ID: <8c78500a7b8cc214bf9cae0163a92a8c@vrotvrot.com>

Hi,

here are some more Blender and non-blender tutorials I found; maybe 
some are worth including:

http://67.15.36.49/team/tutorials/eric_orc/eric_orc_01.asp
http://www.3dmaxer.dk/tutorial.asp?ak=666&type=blend
http://www.elysiun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21066

Cheers,

Bart



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Thu Jan 27 01:01:24 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:01:24 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
	<43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>

Sounds good. I hope the mirrors will be saved in some kind of database. 
It's a real pain editing every paragraph individually on the CMS 
whenever a mirror goes away or a new one is added. Oh, does this also 
mean we'll have a torrent tracker? ;)

BTW, I guess Dave Hope's server (Mirror 2 for the video tutorials) still 
isn't up yet. I'll drop him a note to see whats up.

- Glen

Bart Veldhuizen wrote:

> We are working on a mirroring system for the Blender downloads. Once 
> we're good to go, I'll check to see if some of them are willing to 
> mirror the video tutorials as well.
>
> Talking about video tutorials, I believe that I still need to finish 
> some work for the tutorials section. I'll try to find some time soon! :)
>



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Thu Jan 27 07:58:09 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:58:09 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
	<43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>
Message-ID: <ee8c5c5c11806297786c7a1c26bb9865@vrotvrot.com>

The mirror system will be http (maybe ftp) based only, but it will be 
smart enough to figure out on which server a certain file is available. 
You can already see it in action here:

http://blender3d.org/mirror/release/Blender2.36/blender-2.36-windows.exe

Everything after /mirror/ is part of the filename to be mirrored. This 
means that once we start using the mirror script, we only need to put 
one download link in for each file.

The availability of files is cached, so it doesn't have to check the 
mirrors for each request. Checking is still quite slow, mainly because 
of the painfully slow ftp connection to umn.edu.

The fact that the script checks for itself which servers host a certain 
file means that mirrors can decide for themselves which files they will 
host or how much traffic/month they will allow. If they don't have a 
file, or they temporarily close their connection, the link will simply 
disappear.

We have decided to drop support for bittorrent files, at least for our 
own files, because so many people have difficulty with them. For this 
reason, I think we should move away from it all together IF we get 
enough mirror sites that are willing to host large media files.

Cheers,

Bart


Op 27-jan-05 om 1:01 heeft Glen Moyes het volgende geschreven:

> Sounds good. I hope the mirrors will be saved in some kind of 
> database. It's a real pain editing every paragraph individually on the 
> CMS whenever a mirror goes away or a new one is added. Oh, does this 
> also mean we'll have a torrent tracker? ;)
>
> BTW, I guess Dave Hope's server (Mirror 2 for the video tutorials) 
> still isn't up yet. I'll drop him a note to see whats up.
>
> - Glen
>
> Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>
>> We are working on a mirroring system for the Blender downloads. Once 
>> we're good to go, I'll check to see if some of them are willing to 
>> mirror the video tutorials as well.
>>
>> Talking about video tutorials, I believe that I still need to finish 
>> some work for the tutorials section. I'll try to find some time soon! 
>> :)
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Thu Jan 27 08:28:08 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Hand tutorial
Message-ID: <a61327c16d231d0663340db022bddbfe@vrotvrot.com>

Here's a cool tutorial by lukep that  I saw on Elysiun today: 
http://jlp.nerim.net/tutorials/hands-modelling/hands-tuto-01.html

Cheers,

Bart



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Thu Jan 27 20:20:32 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:20:32 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <ee8c5c5c11806297786c7a1c26bb9865@vrotvrot.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
	<43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>
	<ee8c5c5c11806297786c7a1c26bb9865@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41F93F00.8030709@icubenetwork.com>

Oh yeah, this mirroring script is going to be nice. This is going to 
make my job that much easier.

Not having BitTorrent shouldn't be a problem. I'm always getting emails 
from people that want to host the files, however I have to turn most of 
them down because they only have a few GB bandwidth a month (previous 
experience shows that the least popular mirror needs at least 20GB 
bandwidth a day just to host the files). So basically any mirror with 
anything less than unlimited bandwidth has went down fast and hard. In 
the future we are going to have far more video tutorials than we have 
now. My concern is that even our best mirrors won't be able to handle 
it. Making these available at the e-shop would help with the downloads.

Also, I have one mirror that wants to put a link to their hosting 
company next to his. Because his hosting company understood that it was 
for an open source project they cut him a break that really helped him 
become on of our better mirrors. Putting a link there would make his 
hosting even happier (considering how much of their bandwidth he's 
using). Anyway, with this script is it possible to put a separate link 
to the hosting company next to the mirror link? Or should the mirror 
link just be "My Mirror (hosted by www.hosting-blah.com) (USA)"?

Also, does the URL to the mirror have to contain "release/filename" or 
"videos/filename" or whatever directory name we decide use? Because 
every mirror I have does it differently.

- Glen

Bart Veldhuizen wrote:

> The mirror system will be http (maybe ftp) based only, but it will be 
> smart enough to figure out on which server a certain file is 
> available. You can already see it in action here:
>
> http://blender3d.org/mirror/release/Blender2.36/blender-2.36-windows.exe
>
> Everything after /mirror/ is part of the filename to be mirrored. This 
> means that once we start using the mirror script, we only need to put 
> one download link in for each file.
>
> The availability of files is cached, so it doesn't have to check the 
> mirrors for each request. Checking is still quite slow, mainly because 
> of the painfully slow ftp connection to umn.edu.
>
> The fact that the script checks for itself which servers host a 
> certain file means that mirrors can decide for themselves which files 
> they will host or how much traffic/month they will allow. If they 
> don't have a file, or they temporarily close their connection, the 
> link will simply disappear.
>
> We have decided to drop support for bittorrent files, at least for our 
> own files, because so many people have difficulty with them. For this 
> reason, I think we should move away from it all together IF we get 
> enough mirror sites that are willing to host large media files.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bart
>
>



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Thu Jan 27 20:30:38 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:30:38 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <41F93F00.8030709@icubenetwork.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
	<43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>
	<ee8c5c5c11806297786c7a1c26bb9865@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F93F00.8030709@icubenetwork.com>
Message-ID: <77e416d667aef20a9ff58e0d415b748f@vrotvrot.com>

Hi Glen,

I can add an extra description line; this is a good idea. We do require  
each mirror to use the same directory structure, but it can start at  
any point on their website. To illustrate this, here's a sample from  
the mirror script (if you're interested in seeing the whole script,  
just let me know):

// define the mirror sites and their descriptions
// sites must have an ending slash
$G_sites = array(	'http://download.blender.org/' 		=> 'Blender  
Foundation Site (Europe)',
				'ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/blender.org/'	=> 'University of Minnesota  
(USA)',
				'http://planetmirror.com/pub/blender/'	=> 'Planet Mirror (USA)'
			);

Each mirrorsite has a different 'documentroot' for our files. Is that  
what you mean?

Cheers,

Bart

Op 27-jan-05 om 20:20 heeft Glen Moyes het volgende geschreven:

> Oh yeah, this mirroring script is going to be nice. This is going to  
> make my job that much easier.
>
> Not having BitTorrent shouldn't be a problem. I'm always getting  
> emails from people that want to host the files, however I have to turn  
> most of them down because they only have a few GB bandwidth a month  
> (previous experience shows that the least popular mirror needs at  
> least 20GB bandwidth a day just to host the files). So basically any  
> mirror with anything less than unlimited bandwidth has went down fast  
> and hard. In the future we are going to have far more video tutorials  
> than we have now. My concern is that even our best mirrors won't be  
> able to handle it. Making these available at the e-shop would help  
> with the downloads.
>
> Also, I have one mirror that wants to put a link to their hosting  
> company next to his. Because his hosting company understood that it  
> was for an open source project they cut him a break that really helped  
> him become on of our better mirrors. Putting a link there would make  
> his hosting even happier (considering how much of their bandwidth he's  
> using). Anyway, with this script is it possible to put a separate link  
> to the hosting company next to the mirror link? Or should the mirror  
> link just be "My Mirror (hosted by www.hosting-blah.com) (USA)"?
>
> Also, does the URL to the mirror have to contain "release/filename" or  
> "videos/filename" or whatever directory name we decide use? Because  
> every mirror I have does it differently.
>
> - Glen
>
> Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>
>> The mirror system will be http (maybe ftp) based only, but it will be  
>> smart enough to figure out on which server a certain file is  
>> available. You can already see it in action here:
>>
>> http://blender3d.org/mirror/release/Blender2.36/blender-2.36- 
>> windows.exe
>>
>> Everything after /mirror/ is part of the filename to be mirrored.  
>> This means that once we start using the mirror script, we only need  
>> to put one download link in for each file.
>>
>> The availability of files is cached, so it doesn't have to check the  
>> mirrors for each request. Checking is still quite slow, mainly  
>> because of the painfully slow ftp connection to umn.edu.
>>
>> The fact that the script checks for itself which servers host a  
>> certain file means that mirrors can decide for themselves which files  
>> they will host or how much traffic/month they will allow. If they  
>> don't have a file, or they temporarily close their connection, the  
>> link will simply disappear.
>>
>> We have decided to drop support for bittorrent files, at least for  
>> our own files, because so many people have difficulty with them. For  
>> this reason, I think we should move away from it all together IF we  
>> get enough mirror sites that are willing to host large media files.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent



From metsys at icubenetwork.com  Thu Jan 27 20:53:58 2005
From: metsys at icubenetwork.com (Glen Moyes)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:53:58 -0800
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Re: Fwd: Blender.org website section email
In-Reply-To: <77e416d667aef20a9ff58e0d415b748f@vrotvrot.com>
References: <20050110110008.CED481C0965@bserve2.blender.org>
	<41E31772.2020605@icubenetwork.com>
	<43e73341228c84110586d28f3643a128@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F82F54.9050007@icubenetwork.com>
	<ee8c5c5c11806297786c7a1c26bb9865@vrotvrot.com>
	<41F93F00.8030709@icubenetwork.com>
	<77e416d667aef20a9ff58e0d415b748f@vrotvrot.com>
Message-ID: <41F946D6.1060302@icubenetwork.com>

 > Each mirrorsite has a different 'documentroot' for our files. Is 
that  what you mean?

Yeah, that's what I wanted to find out. The problem is since the mirrors 
have to use our directory structure they will have to move the video 
tutorials if we put them anywhere besides a root directory. Here's a 
look at the way our mirrors store the video tutorials now:

'http://www.blender-france.org/video.tutorial/'
'http://files.davehope.co.uk/BlenderVT/'
'http://www.blender3d.ch/metsys/'
'http://www.ibiblio.org/bvidtute/mytut/'

If we decide to put the video tutorials under "vt/" or something like 
that the mirrors will have to move the files. This shouldn't be a big 
problem though, since I assume this is only going to happen once.

- Glen

Bart Veldhuizen wrote:

> Hi Glen,
>
> I can add an extra description line; this is a good idea. We do 
> require  each mirror to use the same directory structure, but it can 
> start at  any point on their website. To illustrate this, here's a 
> sample from  the mirror script (if you're interested in seeing the 
> whole script,  just let me know):
>
> // define the mirror sites and their descriptions
> // sites must have an ending slash
> $G_sites = array(    'http://download.blender.org/'         => 
> 'Blender  Foundation Site (Europe)',
>                 'ftp://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/blender.org/'    => 
> 'University of Minnesota  (USA)',
>                 'http://planetmirror.com/pub/blender/'    => 'Planet 
> Mirror (USA)'
>             );
>
> Each mirrorsite has a different 'documentroot' for our files. Is that  
> what you mean?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bart
>
> Op 27-jan-05 om 20:20 heeft Glen Moyes het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Oh yeah, this mirroring script is going to be nice. This is going to  
>> make my job that much easier.
>>
>> Not having BitTorrent shouldn't be a problem. I'm always getting  
>> emails from people that want to host the files, however I have to 
>> turn  most of them down because they only have a few GB bandwidth a 
>> month  (previous experience shows that the least popular mirror needs 
>> at  least 20GB bandwidth a day just to host the files). So basically 
>> any  mirror with anything less than unlimited bandwidth has went down 
>> fast  and hard. In the future we are going to have far more video 
>> tutorials  than we have now. My concern is that even our best mirrors 
>> won't be  able to handle it. Making these available at the e-shop 
>> would help  with the downloads.
>>
>> Also, I have one mirror that wants to put a link to their hosting  
>> company next to his. Because his hosting company understood that it  
>> was for an open source project they cut him a break that really 
>> helped  him become on of our better mirrors. Putting a link there 
>> would make  his hosting even happier (considering how much of their 
>> bandwidth he's  using). Anyway, with this script is it possible to 
>> put a separate link  to the hosting company next to the mirror link? 
>> Or should the mirror  link just be "My Mirror (hosted by 
>> www.hosting-blah.com) (USA)"?
>>
>> Also, does the URL to the mirror have to contain "release/filename" 
>> or  "videos/filename" or whatever directory name we decide use? 
>> Because  every mirror I have does it differently.
>>
>> - Glen
>>
>>
>



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Fri Jan 28 08:07:57 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:07:57 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Features page
Message-ID: <f981573c05b03bad700dd5cbf8956b81@vrotvrot.com>

Johannes,

I was just asking Ton to put a more visible link to the features page 
on the homepage (features & screenshots are the thing everyone wants to 
see when they find new software). When going to the Features page, I 
currently don't see many features and screenshots immediately after the 
page loads (I have a 1024x768 screen). The interesting stuff happens 
below the 'page fold'.

Maybe we can improve this page a bit? Here are some ideas that popped 
up in my head:

1) We could open a separate 'screenshots' page
2) Does the Computer Arts Magazine really belong on a features page?
3) Does the License text really belong on a features page? (Maybe it 
would, as the fact that Blender is Open is a 'feature' as well?

Maybe just removing the CA quote would do the trick as this would move 
the first screenshots up to about halfway down the visible page?

Bart



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Fri Jan 28 08:17:26 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:17:26 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] One fix a day
Message-ID: <6c870271c01922ab7efbb6ee90b6777e@vrotvrot.com>

Hi all,

this week I've started my 'one fix a day' campaign, which means that in 
the morning I make myself a cup of coffee and browse our website. I 
pick a page and ask myself if this page really delivers the message 
that it is intended to deliver. Are there simple things that we could 
do to improve it?

After I've found something and I've thought of some ways to improve it, 
I'll find someone to nag or maybe I'll do it myself.

After this I'm ready to take a shower and go to work ;-) This approach 
makes me feel good (after all, something has improved today) and I'm a 
strong believer in small steps as opposed to major changes - these 
never seem to finish or work, for that matter.

Anyway, why don't you make a cup of coffee, pick one page from the site 
now (maybe a page that you maintain, or a page that you think is 
important), and find one simple thing to improve on it now? Either do 
the change yourself, or simply fire it into this maillist. Either way, 
our site will be better today than it was yesterday.

Have fun,

Bart



From Doug at mudpuddle.co.nz  Fri Jan 28 10:57:28 2005
From: Doug at mudpuddle.co.nz (Doug Ollivier)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:57:28 +1300
Subject: Fw:  [Bf-webcontent] One fix a day
Message-ID: <001301c5051f$c93388d0$0400a8c0@dougs>


 I already have a sugestion.

 the Artist links section is WAY huge, and nobody in their right mind would
sift through all of it.  i propose a "premium artists" (whatever name i
don't know) section that is at the top of that page and has the links to
 people like @ndy, Blitz, landis.... websites.

 i havn't personally got the time to do it, but i think it would help
promote
blender. (someone other than me can be the judge on the premium sites)

 BTW i havn't had time to update the links section since about november.
 (fairly long time)   i would appreciate it if another person could take on
 that responsibility.  i would like to do it, however in recent times i have
been behind on so many things.  once someone can be found and the
submission
 email address altered to point to their mail, i can clear out all the
 pending submissions here, and send them the entire archive of submissions
 from the past.

 thanks guys and definitly bart.

Douglas Ollivier (Alltaken)

>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bart Veldhuizen" <bart at vrotvrot.com>
>> To: "Blender3d.org web editors maillist" 
>> <bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:17 PM
>> Subject: [Bf-webcontent] One fix a day
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> this week I've started my 'one fix a day' campaign, which means that in 
>>> the morning I make myself a cup of coffee and browse our website. I pick 
>>> a page and ask myself if this page really delivers the message that it 
>>> is intended to deliver. Are there simple things that we could do to 
>>> improve it?
>>>
>>> After I've found something and I've thought of some ways to improve it, 
>>> I'll find someone to nag or maybe I'll do it myself.
>>>
>>> After this I'm ready to take a shower and go to work ;-) This approach 
>>> makes me feel good (after all, something has improved today) and I'm a 
>>> strong believer in small steps as opposed to major changes - these never 
>>> seem to finish or work, for that matter.
>>>
>>> Anyway, why don't you make a cup of coffee, pick one page from the site 
>>> now (maybe a page that you maintain, or a page that you think is 
>>> important), and find one simple thing to improve on it now? Either do 
>>> the change yourself, or simply fire it into this maillist. Either way, 
>>> our site will be better today than it was yesterday.
>>>
>>> Have fun,
>>>
>>> Bart
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bf-webcontent mailing list
>>> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
>>> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From mplough at Princeton.EDU  Fri Jan 28 22:09:07 2005
From: mplough at Princeton.EDU (Matthew H. Plough)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:09:07 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Strange little red things
Message-ID: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>

Hi everybody!

Every time I visited projects.blender.org , I wondered what the strange 
little red things next to the navigation buttons were.  If you mouse 
over one in Firefox (I don't know if IE does it), a small red line will 
appear next to it.  In a sudden revelation (deterimining its 
significance or lack thereof is left as an exercise to the reader), I 
figured out what they were. 

http://projects.blender.org wrote:

><!-- main navigation buttons (ton) -->
><td>
>  
>
><a href="http://www.blender.org/"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-dotorg.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="112">  </a>
><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-blender.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-comm.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="105"> </a>
><a href="http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderwiki"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-wiki.png" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
></td>
>
Notice that there is a space after each image, like so: <a 
href="URL"><img src="file" /> </a>
Firefox assumes that the space is part of the link, and on mouse over, 
underlines it.  Removing the space or putting it outside the anchor tag 
removes the little lines.  This may or may not be relevant, but I always 
thought the red lines looked bad. 

Matt


From desoto at blender.spaceisbig.com  Sun Jan 30 17:12:04 2005
From: desoto at blender.spaceisbig.com (Chris Burt)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Strange little red things
In-Reply-To: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
References: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <41FD0754.9030203@blender.spaceisbig.com>

I agree it is a little odd to have a space there. More importantly you 
could just override the style for those links so that they don't have 
any underline at all of the spaces were so important that you wouldn't 
want to move them..... as unlikely as that is.

--Chris

Matthew H. Plough wrote:
> Hi everybody!
> 
> Every time I visited projects.blender.org , I wondered what the strange 
> little red things next to the navigation buttons were.  If you mouse 
> over one in Firefox (I don't know if IE does it), a small red line will 
> appear next to it.  In a sudden revelation (deterimining its 
> significance or lack thereof is left as an exercise to the reader), I 
> figured out what they were.
> http://projects.blender.org wrote:
> 
>> <!-- main navigation buttons (ton) -->
>> <td>
>>  
>>
>> <a href="http://www.blender.org/"><img 
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-dotorg.gif" alt="" 
>> border="0" height="22" width="112">  </a>
>> <a href="http://www.blender3d.org/" target="_blank"><img 
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-blender.gif" alt="" 
>> border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
>> <a href="http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html" 
>> target="_blank"><img 
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-comm.gif" alt="" 
>> border="0" height="22" width="105"> </a>
>> <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderwiki"><img 
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-wiki.png" alt="" 
>> border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
>> </td>
>>
> Notice that there is a space after each image, like so: <a 
> href="URL"><img src="file" /> </a>
> Firefox assumes that the space is part of the link, and on mouse over, 
> underlines it.  Removing the space or putting it outside the anchor tag 
> removes the little lines.  This may or may not be relevant, but I always 
> thought the red lines looked bad.
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 
> 


From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan 31 08:20:27 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart Veldhuizen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:20:27 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] yafray page
Message-ID: <0412656e22ff21a21ed70e752ec095f2@vrotvrot.com>

Hi,

I've made some minor changes to the Yafray page today (updated their 
logo, rearranged the text a bit into a more logical order, and added a 
link to the Yafray plug-in page).

http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Yafray.51.0.html

Cheers,

Bart



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan 31 15:00:13 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:00:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Strange little red things
In-Reply-To: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501311459560.17143-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks, I've forwarded this to Jesterking, who maintains the projects 
site.

Cheers,

Bart

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Matthew H. Plough wrote:

> Hi everybody!
> 
> Every time I visited projects.blender.org , I wondered what the strange 
> little red things next to the navigation buttons were.  If you mouse 
> over one in Firefox (I don't know if IE does it), a small red line will 
> appear next to it.  In a sudden revelation (deterimining its 
> significance or lack thereof is left as an exercise to the reader), I 
> figured out what they were. 
> 
> http://projects.blender.org wrote:
> 
> ><!-- main navigation buttons (ton) -->
> ><td>
> >  
> >
> ><a href="http://www.blender.org/"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-dotorg.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="112">  </a>
> ><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-blender.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
> ><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-comm.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="105"> </a>
> ><a href="http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderwiki"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-wiki.png" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
> ></td>
> >
> Notice that there is a space after each image, like so: <a 
> href="URL"><img src="file" /> </a>
> Firefox assumes that the space is part of the link, and on mouse over, 
> underlines it.  Removing the space or putting it outside the anchor tag 
> removes the little lines.  This may or may not be relevant, but I always 
> thought the red lines looked bad. 
> 
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 

-- 
Bart Veldhuizen, bart at vrotvrot.com
Web Droid



From bart at vrotvrot.com  Mon Jan 31 15:00:13 2005
From: bart at vrotvrot.com (Bart)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:00:13 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Strange little red things
In-Reply-To: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0501311459560.17143-100000@localhost.localdomain>

Thanks, I've forwarded this to Jesterking, who maintains the projects 
site.

Cheers,

Bart

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Matthew H. Plough wrote:

> Hi everybody!
> 
> Every time I visited projects.blender.org , I wondered what the strange 
> little red things next to the navigation buttons were.  If you mouse 
> over one in Firefox (I don't know if IE does it), a small red line will 
> appear next to it.  In a sudden revelation (deterimining its 
> significance or lack thereof is left as an exercise to the reader), I 
> figured out what they were. 
> 
> http://projects.blender.org wrote:
> 
> ><!-- main navigation buttons (ton) -->
> ><td>
> >  
> >
> ><a href="http://www.blender.org/"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-dotorg.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="112">  </a>
> ><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-blender.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
> ><a href="http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html" target="_blank"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-comm.gif" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="105"> </a>
> ><a href="http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderwiki"><img src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-wiki.png" alt="" border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
> ></td>
> >
> Notice that there is a space after each image, like so: <a 
> href="URL"><img src="file" /> </a>
> Firefox assumes that the space is part of the link, and on mouse over, 
> underlines it.  Removing the space or putting it outside the anchor tag 
> removes the little lines.  This may or may not be relevant, but I always 
> thought the red lines looked bad. 
> 
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-webcontent mailing list
> Bf-webcontent at projects.blender.org
> http://projects.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-webcontent
> 

-- 
Bart Veldhuizen, bart at vrotvrot.com
Web Droid



From ton at blender.org  Mon Jan 31 15:30:00 2005
From: ton at blender.org (Ton Roosendaal)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:30:00 +0100
Subject: [Bf-webcontent] Strange little red things
In-Reply-To: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
References: <41FAA9F3.6070803@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <96961858-7394-11D9-BDB0-000D936BAA7A@blender.org>

Hi,

Thanks for notifying, fixed it immediately. :)

-Ton-

On 28 Jan, 2005, at 22:09, Matthew H. Plough wrote:

> Hi everybody!
>
> Every time I visited projects.blender.org , I wondered what the  
> strange little red things next to the navigation buttons were.  If you  
> mouse over one in Firefox (I don't know if IE does it), a small red  
> line will appear next to it.  In a sudden revelation (deterimining its  
> significance or lack thereof is left as an exercise to the reader), I  
> figured out what they were.
> http://projects.blender.org wrote:
>
>> <!-- main navigation buttons (ton) -->
>> <td>
>>
>> <a href="http://www.blender.org/"><img  
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-dotorg.gif" alt=""  
>> border="0" height="22" width="112">  </a>
>> <a href="http://www.blender3d.org/" target="_blank"><img  
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-blender.gif" alt=""  
>> border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
>> <a href="http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Websites.7.0.html"  
>> target="_blank"><img  
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-comm.gif" alt=""  
>> border="0" height="22" width="105"> </a>
>> <a href="http://wiki.blender.org/bin/view.pl/Blenderwiki"><img  
>> src="Blender%20Projects%20%20Welcome_files/but-wiki.png" alt=""  
>> border="0" height="22" width="122"> </a>
>> </td>
>>
> Notice that there is a space after each image, like so: <a  
> href="URL"><img src="file" /> </a>
> Firefox assumes that the space is part of the link, and on mouse over,  
> underlines it.  Removing the space or putting it outside the anchor  
> tag removes the little lines.  This may or may not be relevant, but I  
> always thought the red lines looked bad.
> Matt
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