[Bf-webcontent] Re: Menu nearly done
Johannes Langlotz
johannes.langlotz at gmx.de
Fri Feb 25 01:40:51 CET 2005
I just noticed that I was wrong. You have done it with one "mainlist".
sorry.
Johannes
Johannes Langlotz schrieb:
> Hi Bart (NL),
>
> I have no problem with the list. I just see how many problems it brings
> with it. I started to create websites when I was 17 and I learnd one
> thing fast: SIMPLE! The visitor does not see how it is made! It just
> should work.
>
> > Nesting lists inside each other is valid in this context I believe.
>
> Yes it is. But shouldn't the b3d list look like this:
>
> <ul>
> <li>About Blender
> <ul>
> <li>Features</li>
> <li>Gallery</li>
> <li>Testimonials</li>
> <li>Applications</li>
> <li>Requirements</li>
> </ul>
> </li>
> <li>Downloads
> <ul>
> <li>Blender</li>
> <li>....</li>
> </ul>
> </li>
> <li>InfoCenter
> <ul>
> <li>...</li>
> </ul>
> </li>
> <li>...</li>
> </ul>
>
> What I mean with "one list" is: ONE mainlist with several sublists! This
> list should represent the whole menu tree. Now there is one list for
> "About Blender" one for "Downloads" one for "InfoCenter"...
>
> I want to emphasize again: I am not against the list! I am against the
> complexity of javascript and css and the resulting browser problems!
>
>
> Johannes
>
>
>
>
> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>
>> Hi Johannes,
>>
>> when talking to our designers at work, I learned that semantically, a
>> menu is nothing more than a list. So from the point of view of
>> describing only content in your xhtml file this seems to make a lot of
>> sense. Nesting lists inside each other is valid in this context I
>> believe. However, you are right about the font issue.
>>
>> Still, I'm not a designer - just a webmonkey who sometimes hears cool
>> things at work ;-) I wonder how Bart (we NEED to differentiate our
>> names here! ;-) and Chris feel about this? Nothing wrong with a nice
>> bit of discussion!
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> Op 24-feb-05 om 21:22 heeft Johannes Langlotz het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> OK, now I will tattle a bit ;-) . I like standards very much. BUT to
>>> make this kind of menu (with pulldown menus) with lists makes it only
>>> complicated. And you are using several lists not only one like it
>>> should be. Besides you have to work with much fixed sizes and
>>> absolute positioning (e.g. for menu entries). And in course of that,
>>> it chops the menu if a user has a larger default font size. I don't
>>> want to run down your work (bart and bart)! In my opinion it should
>>> be as simple as possible in course of the variety of browsers and
>>> rendering engines.
>>>
>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/mainmenu.js
>>>
>>> This is all JS I use for a text based menu. No need for if(IE)
>>> elseif(NN)... And that's why it works on every browser which I was
>>> able to test.
>>>
>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/index.html
>>>
>>> I hate that every browser has its pros and cons (especially IE has
>>> cons ;-) ) but that's why it should be simple.
>>>
>>>
>>> Johannes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bart Veldhuizen schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>> I checked and it's not the javascript file, but there's something in
>>>> the header image that causes IE5/Mac to crash. Not sure what it is
>>>> yet... Anyway, when I remove the header graphic everything is ok.
>>>> Some more observations: In IE5/Mac there's a lot of flashing; it
>>>> would seem that there are some conflicting color definitions. In
>>>> E5.5/Win2K there's a strange effect around the mousecursor: move the
>>>> mouse over the menu and into the dropdown. Move it around quickly
>>>> and you will see a 'square' around the cursor.
>>>> Bart
>>>> Op 24-feb-05 om 10:14 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>>
>>>>> no problem adding the font definitions. Tested my menu under Opera
>>>>> 7.5 on Windows and it works perfect on IE 5 too. Will test it on my
>>>>> mac later this day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bart Veldhuizen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bart,
>>>>>> it works like a charm in Firefox and Opera on Mac. It *completely*
>>>>>> crashes IE5 on my Mac though. I have tracked it down to the
>>>>>> javascript that sets the onMouseOver events; I'll look into that
>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>> Johannes has also started fiddling with the menu; he kind of
>>>>>> missed the point of building an xhtml/css menu though. One thing
>>>>>> that I do like about his version is the fonts: they are a bit more
>>>>>> readable and more like the current menu. Could you copy the font
>>>>>> definition into your version?
>>>>>> http://www.webminster.de/extern/b3d/
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Bart
>>>>>> Op 24-feb-05 om 0:38 heeft Bart het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bart,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here is a clean version of the menu working fine in FireFox and
>>>>>>> IE 6. Not tested with IE 5 on Win and Mac. There is a problem now
>>>>>>> with Opera 7.20 it doesn't show the dropdown.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problems where like ever located in the different
>>>>>>> interpretation of the CSS box model, that IE does only accept
>>>>>>> hover styles with a tag and the different interpretation of css
>>>>>>> command text-align.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can test it on safari i can give it a try on IE 5 on mac
>>>>>>> and win. Of course i will find the opera bug. For that i can test
>>>>>>> it on Opera 7.5 too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put it here too:
>>>>>>> http://www.neeneenee.de/blender/org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm on it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> |\/\/\/|
>>>>>>> | |
>>>>>>> | (O)(O) Bart.
>>>>>>> C _) bart at neeneenee.de
>>>>>>> | ,_/
>>>>>>> | / - Ich bin nicht berechtigt Aushilfslehrer zu feuern -
>>>>>>> / \
>>>>>>> http://www.neeneenee.de
>>>>>>> <org.zip>
>>>>
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