[Bf-taskforce25] Meeting minutes Nov 16 2008

[Joshua Leung]

Hi,

Yay! I just thought that I should mention here that when I was going through
trying to implement a few simple operators to test a while back, the current
situation of the code was worse than some of the worse-off things in trunk.
In particular, I think it would be beneficial to define a few sets of
general guidelines regarding where to put code. Having operators separated
into three files or more, with parts interleaved with 'core' code (i.e.
windowmanager) is not such a great idea.

Joshua


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Ton Roosendaal <ton at blender.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Added for this list:
>
> I'm still digging in all code for the windowmanager, operators, etc. It
> feels messy somewhat. Adding a new operator is confusing and too much
> labour, it seems...
> Will try to clean things more, shuffle some code around, and based on
> that do final design docs for approval.
>
> -Ton-
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Ton Roosendaal  Blender Foundation   ton at blender.org    www.blender.org
> Blender Institute BV  Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands
>
> On 18 Nov, 2008, at 15:31, Ton Roosendaal wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here's notes from last sunday meeting:
> > (cross posted to bf-taskforce list, do 2.5 discussions there!)
> >
> > 1) Current projects
> >
> > - http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=140982
> >    (someone interested in improving IK to become "full" Jacobian)
> > - Ken H works on replacement of Boolean code, with better face
> > arrangement. Currently pyhon level only.
> > - Martin P has update on etchaton:
> >    http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/User:Theeth/etch-a-ton
> > - Nathan L online render project:
> >
> > http://www.blender-fi.org/forum/gallery2.php?
> > g2_itemId=1956&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
> >
> > 2) 2.50 review issues
> >
> > - Suggestion is to progress with 2.5 by reviewing and approving design
> > docs. These will be sent to bf-taskforce
> > - Current review doc (with cool diagrams!) for data api:
> >    http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/Blender2.5/RNA
> > - Open design topic "Context" and how to handle properties (in
> > operators)...
> > - Jean-Luc P mentions we need to get a good 'disabled state' for data.
> > Reply was to not do it on RNA level, but in the UI layers that use RNA.
> > Discussion might continue on bf-taskforce list.
> > - Operator question: how to treat selection of data? Answer: that's
> > "Context". Ideally Context can deliver selected objects/bones/vertices,
> > freeing up a lot of code overhead. Python can define own Context,
> > replacing such selection lists/callbacks. Is design issue.
> > - Ton R will work on a doc for proper Operator design/implementation,
> > with tutorials
> > - Design issue: have external control possible over window type/sizes,
> > outside .blend
> > - Tom M suggestion: check other API's too? Like
> >    http://softimage.wiki.avid.com/sdkdocs/sicppsdk/html/hierarchy.html
> > - Another review issue: drawing will become *entirely* in backbuffer,
> > with "ARegion" rects drawing in a fixed order, with compositing in
> > layers possible. this will (in future) be extensible using
> > draw-to-texture or memory, and buffer those for fast redraws, also
> > allows managing overdraw layers and fancy effects.
> > - We should not forget translation!
> >
> > 3) Trunk freeze?
> >
> > - Brecht merged trunk into 2.50 branch, went relatively painless
> > - Proposal is not to freeze all, but first freeze work on
> > source/blender/src and later most of source/blender/
> > - Tom M proposes to define which branches first get in trunk before
> > doing it.
> >    Candidates animsys, sim_physics, SoC sculpt, projection paint, ...
> > - No decision yet, will come back on agenda
> >
> > 4) 2.50 todo list and plans
> >
> > - Ton wants to go over history of commits in 2.5 branch first, cleaning
> > up and getting the big picture again.
> > - This should result in good doc and proposal to freeze specs for WM,
> > Event/Operators, Editors design
> > - Yes, docs docs docs! And tutorials!
> > - Brecht's RNA is ready for review. If approved, will mean work for
> > volunteers.
> > - Also doc needed on code layout, and naming conventions
> >
> >
> > -Ton-
> >
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> > -
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> > Blender Institute BV  Entrepotdok 57A  1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands
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