[Bf-funboard] property panel "switch" section toggles.. thoughts?

Bol Bib bollebib at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 16 00:46:59 CEST 2013

while I do like some of bill reynish's ideas (I want those list x's!)
his comparison screenshots in the end is,I feel, biased. 

to make an accurate comparison he should have shown the same properties tab in both screenshots. Showing a tab that is naturally less cluttered paints a better picture then it should.
Hiding useful info that is relevent to 3D view doesn't help either.

what COULD be done is have an "edit mode" for headers in which you mark the buttons to be hidden,that you don't need much.
a simple vs advanced view,if you will. To be toggled on/off by the minimize button that already hides the menu in the header,now. 
Also with a keyboardshortcut perhaps.

Alternatively less relevant information (render button? use scene's active camera? inactive snap) could fade out when the header is not active.
When hovering above the header,it could regain focus. 

or a combination of both.

> From: hadriscus at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:28:20 +0200
> To: bf-funboard at blender.org
> Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] property panel "switch" section toggles..	thoughts?
> I agree panel titles should be aligned, but the toggle buttons don't bring
> anything new compared to the checkboxes and as of now look quite
> inconsistent with the rest of the GUI, so why not keep the checkboxes and
> move them to the far right, or right after the panel titles ?
> And since you linked William Reynish's blog post : it's great wanting to
> clean up the GUI, only Blender is not a decorative object, and it is
> important that many functions stay accessible without having to open a
> menu, even though they "clutter" (really, they're just damn handy).
> Indicators like the snap toggle, etc. have to stay visible so that there is
> no ambiguity for the user as to whether it's on or off at the moment
> (without having to try and grab something to be sure).
> He also seems to be leaving actual functionality behind, like the
> possibility to rename a list item (I don't see this possibility explicity
> in his mockups). Overall, I think the thought he's put into that is less
> centered on actual usability than on aesthetic concerns... indeed his
> mockups look clean and readable, but information has to be shown as much as
> possible, after all this is part of the purpose of such a tool.
> On 15 July 2013 21:38, David Jeske <davidj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Justas Ingelevičius <justas at zvejone.lt
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > nice idea. I suggest to make switch blue when it is on. It will look
> > > consistent with other GUI elements and will add more visual clarity.
> > >
> > > http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=55645
> >
> >
> > That is clear, but also pretty loud/attention-grabbing. Possibly too much
> > so.
> >
> > I'm not sure why it's so important to have the panel titles aligned,
> > >
> >
> > Titles which drift around in unpredictable places are harder to scan it's a
> > usability issue. It's also an attempt to reduce some of the unnecessary
> > visual clutter/alignment edges. We need the checkboxes for functionality,
> > but we don't actually need the titles unaligned.
> >
> > Perhaps the triangles could be removed and the checkboxes moved in
> > > their place, but then it needs to be better communicated what the
> > > title is and that it is a think you can click on. For that I think you
> > > need a background color on the panel header, maybe slightly bolder
> > > text, and subtle highlighting on mouse over.
> >
> >
> > I agree 110%.
> >
> > The "switch" mockup is simply an experimental idea to create a solution
> > which works on the default-theme, with the triangles still present. If
> > we're willing to change the default presentation and remove triangles
> > entirely (perhaps in 2.7's UI revamp), this becomes easier and even
> > cleaner.
> >
> > For fun, check out Billrey's visual presentation of some of the alignment
> > clutter...
> >
> >
> > http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cytCa4V2c9c/TqRpeygxFFI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/9c3X0LWQax4/s1600/Blender_ui_cleanup_before_lines.jpg
> >
> > >
> > http://billrey.blogspot.com/2011/10/cleaning-up-blender-ui.html
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