[Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active

Nicholas Rishel rishel.nick at gmail.com
Wed Sep 26 01:50:57 CEST 2012


I just tested my earlier object name mockup, and personally I don't find it
very noticeable. I'm trying the red object outline now, and will post a
diff if it seems to work.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Nathan Vegdahl <cessen at cessen.com> wrote:

> What's different from normal in your mockup?  At a glance, I'm
> honestly not seeing it, which suggests to me that it's not any more
> visually obvious than the autokey button being toggled on in the
> timeline.  If it's something you have to intentionally look at, it
> kind of defeats the purpose, IMO, because you could just check to see
> if autokey is toggled on.  For it to be effective, it needs to
> violently grab the user's attention even when they're not thinking.
> ;-)  It can't be subtle.
>
> IMO, either changing the background color or having an obvious colored
> border around the 3d view would be best.
>
> --Nathan
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Rishel <rishel.nick at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > This might be a simple and elegant way to communicate "the item you have
> > selected will be recorded if transformed":
> > http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=38124
> >
> > Sorry if I missed someone else already suggesting this.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Bol Bib <bollebib at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm with you on the seceral proposals for the 3Dview
> >>
> >> -record button (I'd prefer bottom right actually..,but just a detail)
> >> -different theme for the transform gizmo perhaps? glowing? Inverted
> colors?
> >> -Different theme or indicator on the Header perhaps?
> >>
> >>
> >> -colored border might still be my favorite though.
> >>
> >>
> >> maybe with the option to turn it off for those who don't want it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But I don't follow on confirmation of transforming.
> >>
> >> That would mean that everytime you make a change ,something flashes.
> That
> >> gets old and annoying really quickly,I think.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At the most you could briefly make the cursor have a blinking effect,but
> >> I'm not sold by this last idea.
> >>
> >>
> >> Unless I interpreted it wrong?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: bassam at urchn.org
> >> > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
> >> > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:17:54 -0400
> >> > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe active
> >> >
> >> > yeah, that would work... unless you wanted to use it later for
> something
> >> > else!
> >> > some suggestion:
> >> >
> >> > -different theme color for 'transform'. right now, wireframe/border
> goes
> >> > white when transforming, this could maybe turn red or some other color
> >> > to alert instead.
> >> >
> >> > the following suggestion have two possibilities: always-on or just
> >> > during transform:
> >> >
> >> > -3d view red rectangle border
> >> > -red record icon
> >> > -record text
> >> > -combination of any of the above
> >> > -background color of 3d view
> >> >
> >> > final suggestion warnings that happen after the transformation has
> been
> >> > confirmed:
> >> >
> >> > -a color change on transform confirmation: any of the above
> suggestions
> >> > or even briefly flashing red the background before going back to
> normal.
> >> >
> >> > -an alert telling that keyframes have been inserted (similar to what
> >> > happens after pressing i key on a keying set)
> >> >
> >> > restatement of problem that led me to the above suggestions:
> >> >
> >> > sometimes when autokey is on we forget and transform create keyframes
> or
> >> > changing them when that was not desired. a notification of some sort
> in
> >> > the 3d view that is obvious can either prevent this, or at least help
> >> > alert that it has happened so an undo is instantly possible.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2012-09-21 at 10:49 +1000, Campbell Barton wrote:
> >> > > Just a note to say Im happy to add some functionality similar to
> whats
> >> > > been suggested - but also am not totally convinced a `good enough`
> >> > > solution has been suggested yet.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe add a record icon in 3d view would be enough (top right? -
> that
> >> > > corner is free).
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Matjaz Lamut <
> matjaz.lamut at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > Ah yes, completely forgot about the 3d view, where most (all?) of
> the
> >> > > > recorded transforms happen. In this case my proposal doesn't
> really
> >> work.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Matjaž
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Pietro Grandi
> >> > > > <pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> I agree, for my experience the main problems find themselves
> within
> >> 3D
> >> > > >> View.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Bassam Kurdali <
> bassam at urchn.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> > it's not a terrible idea, but there is one flaw in it:
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > the problem with autokey left on by accident isn't a problem in
> >> any of
> >> > > >> > the time-based views. You may not even have these visible. It
> >> *is* a
> >> > > >> > problem in the 3D View - at least the way most people use it,
> as
> >> > > >> > transforming objects in the 3D view is what generates the
> >> automatic
> >> > > >> > keyframe.
> >> > > >> > therefore any warning sign should be in the 3d view, otherwise
> it
> >> can be
> >> > > >> > totally missed.
> >> > > >> > A red (or otherwise themable) frame around the 3d view to my
> mind
> >> would
> >> > > >> > be the least obtrusive, but still visible enough to prevent
> >> accidental
> >> > > >> > keying.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > anyway, this is all academic unless somebody decides to code
> it :)
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 22:42 +0200, Matjaz Lamut wrote:
> >> > > >> > > Hello,
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > The most elegant solution would be to colour the frame cursor
> >> when
> >> > > >> > > recording is enabled.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > - It's the one UI element that appears in all time-related
> >> editors.
> >> > > >> > > - It's also a prominent (visible) UI element in said editors.
> >> > > >> > > - Frame cursor tells from the start that the colour change
> has
> >> to do
> >> > > >> > > something with animation even for unfamiliar users (rather
> than
> >> > > >> possibly
> >> > > >> > > giving the false impression of an error in an editor with a
> red
> >> line
> >> > > >> > around)
> >> > > >> > > - The rest of the interface can stay nice, calm grey (or
> >> whichever
> >> > > >> colour
> >> > > >> > > one is using)
> >> > > >> > > - Very simple :)
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > See screenshots for the proposal.
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOff.png
> >> > > >> > >
> >> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1482587/Blender%20UI/BlenderRecordOn.png
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > Regards,
> >> > > >> > > Matjaž Lamut
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:11 PM, <lemo_net at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > >> > > > I agree. I got a lot of trouble with animators letting auto
> >> key on.
> >> > > >> > > > A red time line could be cool.
> >> > > >> > > > Bertrand
> >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > >> > > > From: Bassam Kurdali <bassam at urchn.org>
> >> > > >> > > > Sender: bf-funboard-bounces at blender.org
> >> > > >> > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:06:24
> >> > > >> > > > To: <bf-funboard at blender.org>
> >> > > >> > > > Reply-To: bassam at urchn.org, bf-funboard at blender.org
> >> > > >> > > > Subject: Re: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe
> active
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > fwiw this comes up when working on group projects; jumping
> >> into a
> >> > > >> file
> >> > > >> > > > where someone has left autokeying on, and getting surprised
> >> by it.
> >> > > >> > > >  a red border around the viewport doesn't seem like a
> terrible
> >> > > >> solution
> >> > > >> > > > - even a thin, non annoying one would be noticable. And it
> >> fits with
> >> > > >> > > > e.g. changing the border around the camera when we have
> >> locked camera
> >> > > >> > to
> >> > > >> > > > view.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > So I think this is a reasonable suggestion. with colored
> >> border
> >> > > >> around
> >> > > >> > > > the viewport seeming like a best option.
> >> > > >> > > > or... we could modify dr. epilepsy(1) to turn on when
> autokey
> >> is
> >> > > >> > > > depressed.
> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > >> > > > (1)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WGQ6_T6HRA
> >> > > >> > > > On Mon, 2012-09-17 at 18:19 +0200, Bol Bib wrote:
> >> > > >> > > > > I second this request,would be very useful to have some
> >> kind of
> >> > > >> > (color?)
> >> > > >> > > > indicator,prefarably in  or around  the viewport,since the
> >> timeline
> >> > > >> is
> >> > > >> > not
> >> > > >> > > > always around.
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > -some ways: border around viewport
> >> > > >> > > > > -blinking record button (might be too intrusive tho)
> >> > > >> > > > > -other..?
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:37:13 +0200
> >> > > >> > > > > > From: pietro.grandi.3d at gmail.com
> >> > > >> > > > > > To: bf-funboard at blender.org
> >> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [Bf-funboard] Warning when auto keyframe
> active
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Hi there,
> >> > > >> > > > > > this is my first post. I'm Pietro Grandi, italian 3D
> >> artist and
> >> > > >> > happy
> >> > > >> > > > > > blender user!
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > I wish to suggest a feature: sometimes I forget the
> "auto
> >> > > >> keyframe"
> >> > > >> > > > toggle
> >> > > >> > > > > > on and I continue with my work... the result is that I
> >> come with
> >> > > >> > lot of
> >> > > >> > > > > > keyframes that I have to remove manually. Could we
> have a
> >> > > >> warning,
> >> > > >> > > > like a
> >> > > >> > > > > > red bar or something like this?
> >> > > >> > > > > > I mean something similar to 3D Studio max, where in
> 'auto
> >> > > >> keyframe
> >> > > >> > > > mode'
> >> > > >> > > > > > you can see lot of red everywhere.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > This can sound stupid, maybe, but I think that could be
> >> useful.
> >> > > >> > > > > >
> >> > > >> > > > > > Thank you,
> >> > > >> > > > > > Pietro
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