[Bf-funboard] Click/Press/Hold

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 05:09:59PM +0100, William Reynish wrote:

> > And with both MBs and the SPACEBAR(!) for the
> > Toolbox.
> 
> Actually it is like this right now. You just have to
> hold down the mouse button for a second or so. The
> trouble is, that you wont want to have it wait a
> second - you want it to appear right when you click.

Nope. Only with LMB, RMB doesn't allow click-hold action.
To have a delay for the menus is OK, but it could well be 
shorter.
  
> > Context-Trio
> > ------------
> > 
> > Use of LMB for selection.
> > Use of RMB for 3d cursor (differing from William's
> > proposal).
> > 
> > LMB-hold to access a menu with selection and/or
> > manipulation 
> > items.
> 
> That is quite a good idea. Not sure abou manipulation
> items, but to have a quick menu for selection tools
> (this will be particularily useful if we get a lasso
> tool.) is a good idea.
> However mapping it to LMB is not so good I think,
> because it would make more sence to map boundbox to
> LMB+hold. The selection box could be invoked with a
> keyboard shortcut instead (of course they should be in
> the menus too).

Boundbox? Do you mean rectangular selection? That could 
coexist because it's click-hold drag. But the delay for the 
menu will have to be chosen very carefully.
 

> > RMB-hold to access some kind of Snap-menu.
> > 
> > Spacebar to access full Toolbox.
> > 
> snap is shift+s in the 3d window. I don't see why
> particularily the Snap menu should be mapped to the
> mouse buttons. It's not like it should be the first
> thing you learn about when you try Blender

I think it's logical to have the Snap-menu mapped to the 
same mousebutton that allows you to place the 3d cursor.

 
> Please consider this:
> 
> In some areas in Blender you use rightclick for
> accesing menus (like header options, and there are
> others), so my proposal was mainly about making it
> more consistant.
> 
> Current system:
> 
> In the 3D window you use space to open a menu with
> options.
> In the headers, buttonwindows and and window borders
> you use rightclick.
> 
> Do you see some unconsistency? I do.

I do not see too much unconsistency in my proposal. RMB can 
always be used for a contex-menu. But with a delay for 
the 3d-view. You have to look at what is practical, too! 


> I also see a
> problem with the Text Editor, since you can't use
> space for the toolbox in this window (obviousely
> because spacbar is used for making a text space).

One rightclick menu and maybe a leftclick delayed menu should 
be sufficient for the editor, I think.

Entering spaces in text could be CTRL SPACE ...
not :-)

Do you realy think spacebar shouldn't be used for anything 
other than input of spaces? It's such a nice big button ...


> The most obvious and clever solution seems to me to
> map the toolbox to RMB, and make everything simple and
> consistant.
> 
> So that it looks like this:
> 
> LMB: selection  (LMB click+drag: boundbox selection)
> 
> MMB: view controls
> 
> RMB:Toolbox
> 
> I think it looks very simple and powerful.
> 
> Set 3D cursor could be ALT-LMB, or CTRL-LMB.


OK now, having Snap-menu on a mousebutton is not that important
to me. But it would be great to have a small and therfore very 
fast to operate special menu on LMB. I'm sure it could work good 
enough with a delay that allows rectangular selection with LMB, 
too!

 
> About Gestures:
> I see three different possibilities about the
> gestures:
> 
> 1, The gestures are removed.
> 
> 2, the gestures work while holding down a modyfier key
> 
> 3, We incorporate a "gesture mode", invoked with a key
> that lets drawing getures possible.
> 
> I prefer the first option really, but a few have said
> thay have used it occasionally. Number two or three
> maybe better.


It might be that use of pens and tabletts is on the rise.
And I imagine gestures to be especialy useful with those.
But certainly not with modifier keys.
Therfore it would make sense to have them as an option.


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Thorsten