[Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 19
Octavio Mendez
octavio at g-blender.org
Sat Dec 7 00:27:36 CET 2013
Dear Piotr.
Ok, we will wait for news from BF :)
2013/12/6 <bf-education-request at blender.org>
> Send Bf-education mailing list submissions to
> bf-education at blender.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> bf-education-request at blender.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> bf-education-owner at blender.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Bf-education digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14 (Octavio Mendez)
> 2. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14 (Piotr Arlukowicz)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 16:01:45 -0600
> From: Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14
> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAAkZfEYa3H8fb2C-+4d4HwxjDkvWg_DEh5eniqkybzV5d2C0pg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Piotr.
>
> I agree with you about use a discussion forum.
>
> About the certification, i think we must focus on create a standard test,
> and the certification process will become after.
> I agree about "non professional" feeling about the badges too, but i think
> it is because we usually see a certificate from a "serious" issuer than a
> badge. Still the concept of use badges attract me a little :)
>
> Any way i've been thinking about the test and i believe we can start
> discussing what to evaluate, at which level and with a list of topics to
> evaluate.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Octavio.
>
>
> 2013/12/5 <bf-education-request at blender.org>
>
> > Send Bf-education mailing list submissions to
> > bf-education at blender.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > bf-education-request at blender.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > bf-education-owner at blender.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Bf-education digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10 (Piotr Arlukowicz)
> > 2. Re: Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) - application
> > process maybe broken (Dolf Veenvliet)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:52:29 +0100
> > From: Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10
> > To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAHHkAb9TrLvOo4gw_ZdeKj0Txm=
> > 4O7PFWc97wYc5PD9vi9wFkg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > ?Hi All,
> > dear Octavio,
> >
> > I can set up WIKI page for us like before, but WIKI? is good only for
> > stationary content, as a documentation system, not for real dynamic
> > discussion. If we got some clues I will be more than happy to put all our
> > work somewhere, and then WIKI will serve well. I asked BF already about a
> > good handy platform for discussion and for documentation of certificate
> > progress, but we have to wait for them to answer. I you would like, I can
> > establish a forum (using SMF engine) on my Polish Community pages, which
> > will be international and open for further discussion. One way or
> another,
> > I can setup this in any second.
> >
> > I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must
> > >> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?,
> > yes?,
> > >> no?, why? pros and cons?
> > >
> > > ?
> > I would say yes and no. Only in an ideal world we don't need any
> > certification. Here where we are we need it to prove something. This is
> > important mainly for business and for self-development purposes. And
> while
> > Blender becomes one of the industry and educational standard, we
> > desperately need something which can standardize things, mainly at the
> > basic ground level. So, certificates for 101 training are welcome, BFCT
> is
> > welcomed, another things are still a subject of discussion.
> > ?
> >
> > > About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use
> > >> something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org ) insteadof
> a
> > >> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.
> > >>
> > >
> > ?I have mixed feelings about badges. They really have to be well-taught
> in
> > order to serve seriously as a measurement who represent what. So, we can
> > allow two approaches: to disperse them to small specialties, ?or just to
> > keep few of them for bigger things. We can also establish levels or trees
> > or pyramids and count only the most valuable badges. The system is
> however
> > similar to collecting stamp marks, and in my mind it don't fit well for
> > professional grading system. What do you think?
> > ?
> > ?regards?
> > piotr
> > --
> > Piotr Arlukowicz
> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > Version: 3.1
> > GCS/ED/IT/S d++(-)>--pu s(+):(+)> a C++(+++)$@>++++$ ULAVISC*()$>+++$
> > P++(+++)$>++++ L++(+++)$@>++++$ !E---(---)>++ W++(+++)$@>+++ N(+)>++ o--?
> > !K-(-)>-$ w++(+)>-- !O-(-)>- !M-(-)>-- !V-(-)>- PS(+)>++ !PE()>+ Y PGP>+
> > t(-) !5? !X R()>* tv- b++ DI++ D+(++)>+++ G++@ e++++>+++++ h---()>++
> r+++
> > y+++
> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > URL:
> >
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131205/dc8ec39b/attachment-0001.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:43:07 +0100
> > From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
> > (BFCT) - application process maybe broken
> > To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> > Cc: Francesco Siddi <francesco at blendernetwork.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > CAAyPmkH61fYFPtTphYPvN-SfbOTRV9wZWPQB9WD0ievR+tQLkw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Marcelo,
> >
> > I sent your message to the Certification board. Someone will look into it
> > and will get back to you. It may take a few days because we're all quite
> > busy, so please be patient. If no one mailed you inside of a week, please
> > send me a private e-mail and I will look into it for you.
> >
> > Dolf
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Marcelo,
> > >
> > > it is a bitter pill to hear that your application somehow get lost. For
> > my
> > > case the process was a bit similar: after first submission I had to
> wait
> > > about two or three months, and everything I managed was done thorough
> the
> > > correspondence with Willem. But I had to send an email with questions
> > > what's going on. As far as I know Willem lives in South Africa, which
> is
> > > nice and is creating Blender Community a real international and
> > > intercontinental. But the response ratio and reaction speed was beyond
> > the
> > > satisfaction level.
> > >
> > > Nowadays many people in Blender Foundation are working hard making huge
> > > changes in their scaffold system: the webpage was just changed, Blender
> > > Network was integrated, and developers moved from svn to git along with
> > > many tools. Some services stopped working, some are broken and another
> > one
> > > are demanding high efforts, so maybe in this time your correspondence
> > just
> > > get lost due to all of this.
> > >
> > > I suggest you to write an email to Francesco Siddi, who is in charge of
> > > keeping an eye on all things. Describe your problem and ask for
> > solutions.
> > > He is very friendly and as a maintainer of Blender Network, which is
> > > connecting all BFCT pr0s, he will probably help you. Francesco's email
> is
> > > in CC of this email. I hope this will help you a bit.
> > >
> > > pz
> > > piotr
> > > --
> > > Piotr Arlukowicz
> > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > > Version: 3.1
> > > GCS/ED/IT/S d++(-)>--pu s(+):(+)> a C++(+++)$@>++++$ ULAVISC*()$>+++$
> > > P++(+++)$>++++ L++(+++)$@>++++$ !E---(---)>++ W++(+++)$@>+++ N(+)>++
> o--?
> > > !K-(-)>-$ w++(+)>-- !O-(-)>- !M-(-)>-- !V-(-)>- PS(+)>++ !PE()>+ Y
> PGP>+
> > > t(-) !5? !X R()>* tv- b++ DI++ D+(++)>+++ G++@ e++++>+++++ h---()>++
> > r+++
> > > y+++
> > > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/12/4 Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >> (now in the right thread)
> > >>
> > >> My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the
> > >> process is broken somewhere.
> > >>
> > >> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing
> > information.
> > >> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot
> for
> > >> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required
> information.
> > >> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts,
> despite I
> > >> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not
> > get
> > >> the auto reply email.
> > >> Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different
> > >> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.
> > >> However, according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.
> > >>
> > >> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my
> attempts.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Marcelo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bf-education mailing list
> > > Bf-education at blender.org
> > > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> > >
> > >
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > URL:
> >
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131205/f999b925/attachment-0001.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bf-education mailing list
> > Bf-education at blender.org
> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> >
> >
> > End of Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14
> > ********************************************
> >
>
>
>
> --
> *Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez*
> octavio at g-blender.org
> www.g-blender.org
> 044 473 1034906
> @octagesimal
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131206/bac3bb59/attachment-0001.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 00:12:29 +0100
> From: Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14
> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> Message-ID:
> <
> CAHHkAb-Ob++i8kJvoXYTk44ZMZOkvAqxx+C_0aFpcmarzU3cqQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Octavio,
>
> I've got an information from BF about some my earlier questions. One of
> them was also something about certification and education process. The
> advice is to wait, because there is somebody who is already doing a
> research in that matter. We are advised to wait a bit more until we know
> what is the whole investigation and status. So, I think we can safely
> postpone this matter, and return to it in the Future, when we will have
> some more info from BF. Also I should be quite nice to not mess up with
> somebody's work and wait politely for results or another story.
>
> best regards!
>
> pz
> piotr
> --
> Piotr Arlukowicz
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.1
> GCS/ED/IT/S d++(-)>--pu s(+):(+)> a C++(+++)$@>++++$ ULAVISC*()$>+++$
> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(+++)$@>++++$ !E---(---)>++ W++(+++)$@>+++ N(+)>++ o--?
> !K-(-)>-$ w++(+)>-- !O-(-)>- !M-(-)>-- !V-(-)>- PS(+)>++ !PE()>+ Y PGP>+
> t(-) !5? !X R()>* tv- b++ DI++ D+(++)>+++ G++@ e++++>+++++ h---()>++ r+++
> y+++
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>
>
> 2013/12/6 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>
>
> > Dear Piotr.
> >
> > I agree with you about use a discussion forum.
> >
> > About the certification, i think we must focus on create a standard test,
> > and the certification process will become after.
> > I agree about "non professional" feeling about the badges too, but i
> think
> > it is because we usually see a certificate from a "serious" issuer than a
> > badge. Still the concept of use badges attract me a little :)
> >
> > Any way i've been thinking about the test and i believe we can start
> > discussing what to evaluate, at which level and with a list of topics to
> > evaluate.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Octavio.
> >
> >
> > 2013/12/5 <bf-education-request at blender.org>
> >
> >> Send Bf-education mailing list submissions to
> >> bf-education at blender.org
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> bf-education-request at blender.org
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> bf-education-owner at blender.org
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Bf-education digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10 (Piotr Arlukowicz)
> >> 2. Re: Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) - application
> >> process maybe broken (Dolf Veenvliet)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:52:29 +0100
> >> From: Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10
> >> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <CAHHkAb9TrLvOo4gw_ZdeKj0Txm=
> >> 4O7PFWc97wYc5PD9vi9wFkg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> ?Hi All,
> >> dear Octavio,
> >>
> >> I can set up WIKI page for us like before, but WIKI? is good only for
> >> stationary content, as a documentation system, not for real dynamic
> >> discussion. If we got some clues I will be more than happy to put all
> our
> >> work somewhere, and then WIKI will serve well. I asked BF already about
> a
> >> good handy platform for discussion and for documentation of certificate
> >> progress, but we have to wait for them to answer. I you would like, I
> can
> >> establish a forum (using SMF engine) on my Polish Community pages, which
> >> will be international and open for further discussion. One way or
> another,
> >> I can setup this in any second.
> >>
> >> I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must
> >> >> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?,
> >> yes?,
> >> >> no?, why? pros and cons?
> >> >
> >> > ?
> >> I would say yes and no. Only in an ideal world we don't need any
> >> certification. Here where we are we need it to prove something. This is
> >> important mainly for business and for self-development purposes. And
> while
> >> Blender becomes one of the industry and educational standard, we
> >> desperately need something which can standardize things, mainly at the
> >> basic ground level. So, certificates for 101 training are welcome, BFCT
> is
> >> welcomed, another things are still a subject of discussion.
> >> ?
> >>
> >> > About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use
> >> >> something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org )
> insteadof a
> >> >> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> ?I have mixed feelings about badges. They really have to be well-taught
> in
> >> order to serve seriously as a measurement who represent what. So, we can
> >> allow two approaches: to disperse them to small specialties, ?or just to
> >> keep few of them for bigger things. We can also establish levels or
> trees
> >> or pyramids and count only the most valuable badges. The system is
> however
> >> similar to collecting stamp marks, and in my mind it don't fit well for
> >> professional grading system. What do you think?
> >> ?
> >> ?regards?
> >> piotr
> >> --
> >> Piotr Arlukowicz
> >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> >> Version: 3.1
> >> GCS/ED/IT/S d++(-)>--pu s(+):(+)> a C++(+++)$@>++++$ ULAVISC*()$>+++$
> >> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(+++)$@>++++$ !E---(---)>++ W++(+++)$@>+++ N(+)>++
> o--?
> >> !K-(-)>-$ w++(+)>-- !O-(-)>- !M-(-)>-- !V-(-)>- PS(+)>++ !PE()>+ Y
> PGP>+
> >> t(-) !5? !X R()>* tv- b++ DI++ D+(++)>+++ G++@ e++++>+++++ h---()>++
> r+++
> >> y+++
> >> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> URL:
> >>
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131205/dc8ec39b/attachment-0001.htm
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:43:07 +0100
> >> From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
> >> (BFCT) - application process maybe broken
> >> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
> >> Cc: Francesco Siddi <francesco at blendernetwork.org>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <
> >> CAAyPmkH61fYFPtTphYPvN-SfbOTRV9wZWPQB9WD0ievR+tQLkw at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >>
> >> Hi Marcelo,
> >>
> >> I sent your message to the Certification board. Someone will look into
> it
> >> and will get back to you. It may take a few days because we're all quite
> >> busy, so please be patient. If no one mailed you inside of a week,
> please
> >> send me a private e-mail and I will look into it for you.
> >>
> >> Dolf
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear Marcelo,
> >> >
> >> > it is a bitter pill to hear that your application somehow get lost.
> For
> >> my
> >> > case the process was a bit similar: after first submission I had to
> wait
> >> > about two or three months, and everything I managed was done thorough
> >> the
> >> > correspondence with Willem. But I had to send an email with questions
> >> > what's going on. As far as I know Willem lives in South Africa, which
> is
> >> > nice and is creating Blender Community a real international and
> >> > intercontinental. But the response ratio and reaction speed was beyond
> >> the
> >> > satisfaction level.
> >> >
> >> > Nowadays many people in Blender Foundation are working hard making
> huge
> >> > changes in their scaffold system: the webpage was just changed,
> Blender
> >> > Network was integrated, and developers moved from svn to git along
> with
> >> > many tools. Some services stopped working, some are broken and another
> >> one
> >> > are demanding high efforts, so maybe in this time your correspondence
> >> just
> >> > get lost due to all of this.
> >> >
> >> > I suggest you to write an email to Francesco Siddi, who is in charge
> of
> >> > keeping an eye on all things. Describe your problem and ask for
> >> solutions.
> >> > He is very friendly and as a maintainer of Blender Network, which is
> >> > connecting all BFCT pr0s, he will probably help you. Francesco's email
> >> is
> >> > in CC of this email. I hope this will help you a bit.
> >> >
> >> > pz
> >> > piotr
> >> > --
> >> > Piotr Arlukowicz
> >> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> >> > Version: 3.1
> >> > GCS/ED/IT/S d++(-)>--pu s(+):(+)> a C++(+++)$@>++++$ ULAVISC*()$>+++$
> >> > P++(+++)$>++++ L++(+++)$@>++++$ !E---(---)>++ W++(+++)$@>+++ N(+)>++
> >> o--?
> >> > !K-(-)>-$ w++(+)>-- !O-(-)>- !M-(-)>-- !V-(-)>- PS(+)>++ !PE()>+ Y
> >> PGP>+
> >> > t(-) !5? !X R()>* tv- b++ DI++ D+(++)>+++ G++@ e++++>+++++ h---()>++
> >> r+++
> >> > y+++
> >> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2013/12/4 Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
> >> >
> >> >> (now in the right thread)
> >> >>
> >> >> My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the
> >> >> process is broken somewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing
> >> information.
> >> >> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot
> >> for
> >> >> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required
> information.
> >> >> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts,
> despite
> >> I
> >> >> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not
> >> get
> >> >> the auto reply email.
> >> >> Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a
> different
> >> >> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.
> >> >> However, according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.
> >> >>
> >> >> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my
> >> attempts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Marcelo
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Bf-education mailing list
> >> > Bf-education at blender.org
> >> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> >> >
> >> >
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> >> URL:
> >>
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131205/f999b925/attachment-0001.htm
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bf-education mailing list
> >> Bf-education at blender.org
> >> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14
> >> ********************************************
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Octavio A. M?ndez S?nchez*
> > octavio at g-blender.org
> > www.g-blender.org
> > 044 473 1034906
> > @octagesimal
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bf-education mailing list
> > Bf-education at blender.org
> > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
> >
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL:
> http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131207/42d49a8a/attachment.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bf-education mailing list
> Bf-education at blender.org
> http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-education
>
>
> End of Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 19
> ********************************************
>
--
*Octavio A. Méndez Sánchez*
octavio at g-blender.org
www.g-blender.org
044 473 1034906
@octagesimal
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-education/attachments/20131206/e50ee95c/attachment.html>
More information about the Bf-education
mailing list