[Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14

Sat Dec 7 00:12:29 CET 2013

Dear Octavio,

I've got an information from BF about some my earlier questions. One of
them was also something about certification and education process. The
advice is to wait, because there is somebody who is already doing a
research in that matter. We are advised to wait a bit more until we know
what is the whole investigation and status. So, I think we can safely
postpone this matter, and return to it in the Future, when we will have
some more info from BF. Also I should be quite nice to not mess up with
somebody's work and wait politely for results or another story.

best regards!

pz
piotr
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2013/12/6 Octavio Mendez <octavio at g-blender.org>

> Dear Piotr.
>
> I agree with you about use a discussion forum.
>
> About the certification, i think we must focus on create a standard test,
> and the certification process will become after.
> I agree about "non professional" feeling about the badges too, but i think
> it is because we usually see a certificate from a "serious" issuer than a
> badge. Still the concept of use badges attract me a little :)
>
> Any way i've been thinking about the test and i believe we can start
> discussing what to evaluate, at which level and with a list of topics to
> evaluate.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Octavio.
>
>
> 2013/12/5 <bf-education-request at blender.org>
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>>    1. Re: Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10 (Piotr Arlukowicz)
>>    2. Re: Blender Foundation Certified Trainer (BFCT) - application
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>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:52:29 +0100
>> From: Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10
>> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
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>> ?Hi All,
>> dear Octavio,
>>
>> I can set up WIKI page for us like before, but WIKI? is good only for
>> stationary content, as a documentation system, not for real dynamic
>> discussion. If we got some clues I will be more than happy to put all our
>> work somewhere, and then WIKI will serve well. I asked BF already about a
>> good handy platform for discussion and for documentation of certificate
>> progress, but we have to wait for them to answer. I you would like, I can
>> establish a forum (using SMF engine) on my Polish Community pages, which
>> will be international and open for further discussion. One way or another,
>> I can setup this in any second.
>>
>> I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must
>> >> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?,
>> yes?,
>> >> no?, why? pros and cons?
>> >
>> > ?
>> I would say yes and no. Only in an ideal world we don't need any
>> certification. Here where we are we need it to prove something. This is
>> important mainly for business and for self-development purposes. And while
>> Blender becomes one of the industry and educational standard, we
>> desperately need something which can standardize things, mainly at the
>> basic ground level. So, certificates for 101 training are welcome, BFCT is
>> welcomed, another things are still a subject of discussion.
>> ?
>>
>> > About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use
>> >> something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org ) insteadof a
>> >> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.
>> >>
>> >
>> ?I have mixed feelings about badges. They really have to be well-taught in
>> order to serve seriously as a measurement who represent what. So, we can
>> allow two approaches: to disperse them to small specialties, ?or just to
>> keep few of them for bigger things. We can also establish levels or trees
>> or pyramids and count only the most valuable badges. The system is however
>> similar to collecting stamp marks, and in my mind it don't fit well for
>> professional grading system. What do you think?
>> ?
>> ?regards?
>> piotr
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>> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:43:07 +0100
>> From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
>>         (BFCT) - application process maybe broken
>> To: Blender Educators and Trainers <bf-education at blender.org>
>> Cc: Francesco Siddi <francesco at blendernetwork.org>
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>> Hi Marcelo,
>>
>> I sent your message to the Certification board. Someone will look into it
>> and will get back to you. It may take a few days because we're all quite
>> busy, so please be patient. If no one mailed you inside of a week, please
>> send me a private e-mail and I will look into it for you.
>>
>> Dolf
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Marcelo,
>> >
>> > it is a bitter pill to hear that your application somehow get lost. For
>> my
>> > case the process was a bit similar: after first submission I had to wait
>> > about two or three months, and everything I managed was done thorough
>> the
>> > correspondence with Willem. But I had to send an email with questions
>> > what's going on. As far as I know Willem lives in South Africa, which is
>> > nice and is creating Blender Community a real international and
>> > intercontinental. But the response ratio and reaction speed was beyond
>> the
>> > satisfaction level.
>> >
>> > Nowadays many people in Blender Foundation are working hard making huge
>> > changes in their scaffold system: the webpage was just changed, Blender
>> > Network was integrated, and developers moved from svn to git along with
>> > many tools. Some services stopped working, some are broken and another
>> one
>> > are demanding high efforts, so maybe in this time your correspondence
>> just
>> > get lost due to all of this.
>> >
>> > I suggest you to write an email to Francesco Siddi, who is in charge of
>> > keeping an eye on all things. Describe your problem and ask for
>> solutions.
>> > He is very friendly and as a maintainer of Blender Network, which is
>> > connecting all BFCT pr0s, he will probably help you. Francesco's email
>> is
>> > in CC of this email. I hope this will help you a bit.
>> >
>> > pz
>> > piotr
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>> > 2013/12/4 Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >> (now in the right thread)
>> >>
>> >>  My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the
>> >> process is broken somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing
>> information.
>> >> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot
>> for
>> >> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.
>> >> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite
>> I
>> >> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not
>> get
>> >> the auto reply email.
>> >>  Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different
>> >> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.
>> >> However,  according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.
>> >>
>> >> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my
>> attempts.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Marcelo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
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