[Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 14

Fri Dec 6 23:01:45 CET 2013

Dear Piotr.

I agree with you about use a discussion forum.

About the certification, i think we must focus on create a standard test,
and the certification process will become after.
I agree about "non professional" feeling about the badges too, but i think
it is because we usually see a certificate from a "serious" issuer than a
badge. Still the concept of use badges attract me a little :)

Any way i've been thinking about the test and i believe we can start
discussing what to evaluate, at which level and with a list of topics to
evaluate.

What do you think?

Octavio.

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> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:52:29 +0100
> From: Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Bf-education Digest, Vol 96, Issue 10
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> ?Hi All,
> dear Octavio,
>
> I can set up WIKI page for us like before, but WIKI? is good only for
> stationary content, as a documentation system, not for real dynamic
> discussion. If we got some clues I will be more than happy to put all our
> work somewhere, and then WIKI will serve well. I asked BF already about a
> good handy platform for discussion and for documentation of certificate
> progress, but we have to wait for them to answer. I you would like, I can
> establish a forum (using SMF engine) on my Polish Community pages, which
> will be international and open for further discussion. One way or another,
> I can setup this in any second.
>
> I would like to propose the fist topicto be discussed, i think we must
> >> begin from the beginning: A blenderuser certification is required?,
> yes?,
> >> no?, why? pros and cons?
> >
> > ?
> I would say yes and no. Only in an ideal world we don't need any
> certification. Here where we are we need it to prove something. This is
> important mainly for business and for self-development purposes. And while
> Blender becomes one of the industry and educational standard, we
> desperately need something which can standardize things, mainly at the
> basic ground level. So, certificates for 101 training are welcome, BFCT is
> welcomed, another things are still a subject of discussion.
> ?
>
> > About the certificate itself, in thepast, Ton suggest to create or use
> >> something like Mozilla Open Badges(http://openbadges.org ) insteadof a
> >> certificate. Seems like a good idea to me, what do you think?.
> >>
> >
> ?I have mixed feelings about badges. They really have to be well-taught in
> order to serve seriously as a measurement who represent what. So, we can
> allow two approaches: to disperse them to small specialties, ?or just to
> keep few of them for bigger things. We can also establish levels or trees
> or pyramids and count only the most valuable badges. The system is however
> similar to collecting stamp marks, and in my mind it don't fit well for
> professional grading system. What do you think?
> ?
> ?regards?
> piotr
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> Piotr Arlukowicz
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> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:43:07 +0100
> From: Dolf Veenvliet <dolf at macouno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bf-education] Blender Foundation Certified Trainer
>         (BFCT) - application process maybe broken
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> Hi Marcelo,
>
> I sent your message to the Certification board. Someone will look into it
> and will get back to you. It may take a few days because we're all quite
> busy, so please be patient. If no one mailed you inside of a week, please
> send me a private e-mail and I will look into it for you.
>
> Dolf
>
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> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Piotr Arlukowicz <piotao at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Dear Marcelo,
> >
> > it is a bitter pill to hear that your application somehow get lost. For
> my
> > case the process was a bit similar: after first submission I had to wait
> > about two or three months, and everything I managed was done thorough the
> > correspondence with Willem. But I had to send an email with questions
> > what's going on. As far as I know Willem lives in South Africa, which is
> > nice and is creating Blender Community a real international and
> > intercontinental. But the response ratio and reaction speed was beyond
> the
> > satisfaction level.
> >
> > Nowadays many people in Blender Foundation are working hard making huge
> > changes in their scaffold system: the webpage was just changed, Blender
> > Network was integrated, and developers moved from svn to git along with
> > many tools. Some services stopped working, some are broken and another
> one
> > are demanding high efforts, so maybe in this time your correspondence
> just
> > get lost due to all of this.
> >
> > I suggest you to write an email to Francesco Siddi, who is in charge of
> > keeping an eye on all things. Describe your problem and ask for
> solutions.
> > He is very friendly and as a maintainer of Blender Network, which is
> > connecting all BFCT pr0s, he will probably help you. Francesco's email is
> > in CC of this email. I hope this will help you a bit.
> >
> > pz
> > piotr
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> > 2013/12/4 Marcelo V <mv_email at yahoo.com>
> >
> >> (now in the right thread)
> >>
> >>  My application to BFCT did not work and there is a chance that the
> >> process is broken somewhere.
> >>
> >> I initially applied and my first submission had some missing
> information.
> >> Fair enough, I followed the suggestions sent by Willem (thanks a lot for
> >> the attention BTW) and created a webpage with all required information.
> >> Next, I submitted the eForm twice. However, for both attempts, despite I
> >> got a "Thank you" webpage after committing the application, I did not
> get
> >> the auto reply email.
> >>  Therefore, I tried for the third time but submitting with a different
> >> email address. At this last time I did get an auto-reply email fine.
> >> However,  according to Willem, no entry was found in the server.
> >>
> >> Therefore, my application did not go through despite all of my attempts.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Marcelo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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