[Bf-education] Re: Trainer Certification Entry (Dolf Veenvliet)

[pim de groot (mifune)]

macouno, the rest,

i havent read all of your mail, but one thing caught my eye:

"I am personally also for a Certificate not being limited by time
constraints. Keeping track of
teachers and making sure that they are still active would be a real pain.
I'd say once someone
is certified, they stay that way. But perhaps I see certification more as a
"degree" in stead of
simply the "backing of the foundation"."

there is one problem with it though, blender is moving so fast that a
certificate can be outdated within 2 to 3 years. if not sooner. so a
permanent certificate is not a good idea.

pim de groot(mifune)

p.s. you can also find me in #blendereducation, with Oxigen (Igor) and
Macouno.

On 4/20/07, info at macouno.com <info at macouno.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of mail these last few days, which is great. A lot still needs to be
> done.
>
> Ton, oddly I hadn't seen the wiki document about certification before
> today. So I've taken some
> time to read it.
>
> Sorry if the next bit is a bit long, but I'd like to raise a few issues,
> that I think we must
> consider.
>
> I don't know whether I would support giving a bunch of certificates to
> people requesting it
> through the education mailing list. Especially if the only requirement is
> to have produced either
> a "tutorial" or a "video". Which is also the big issue I have with
> proposal in the wiki.
>
> To clarify: How can one judge whether someone is a good educator from what
> they have
> written? Certainly they might be good at "online education/documentation"
> but it says nothing
> about their skills in front of the classroom. This is also my biggest
> question to all of you.
> Where certification is concerned, how do we judge this? Is it even
> possible for any of us to find
> out if someone we haven't seen teach, is a good teacher?
>
> I do think this is a real important issue, especially if the Blender
> Foundation certifies people. If
> someone is certified by the foundation, what they do in front of the
> classroom reflects on the
> reputation of the foundation itself. Pesonally I want the certification to
> really mean something. It
> has little value if it doesn't stand for a certain level of "excellence".
> One should not be certified
> just because they want to teach, they must be capable as well.
>
> Now I must admit that perhaps it is a good idea for Ton to give a few
> certificates to people that
> he knows as "good blender educators". Because a start must be made
> somewhere, and it
> would be strange for those that set up the certification program to not be
> certified themselves.
>
> I do like the idea of people having to submit a "tutorial" before getting
> certified. I also like the
> idea that this tutorial might be a tutorial that will really add something
> to the existing body of
> work online.
>
> But also I am for a future educator having to take an exam. This exam
> could prove that the
> teacher at least has enough knowledge of 3d and blender to answer most of
> the general
> questions posed in a classroom. This might just be a multiple choice exam
> one could take
> online.
>
> I am personally also for a Certificate not being limited by time
> constraints. Keeping track of
> teachers and making sure that they are still active would be a real pain.
> I'd say once someone
> is certified, they stay that way. But perhaps I see certification more as
> a "degree" in stead of
> simply the "backing of the foundation".
>
> It's already a long mail, so I'll leave it here. I do hope a few more
> people will try to join us in the
> #blendereducation channel on the freenode irc chat server. There are
> meetings there from time
> to time, but mostly it's very quiet and chatting directly seems to be more
> productive than
> mailing lists.
>
> Dolf Veenvliet (macouno)
>
>
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