[Bf-cycles] Varying number of samples per pixel
Escot Lucas
lucas.escot at ens-lyon.fr
Sat Jun 24 01:49:40 CEST 2017
Thanks to everyone for answering, I'm now looking at Lukas Stockner's
work to see what could be used for my needs.
Now regarding the following remarks:
> I would avoid discarding samples as you will waste compute power, just find a way to reduce samples from the start
> It's difficult to tell without implementation details, what is the exact reason samples must be discarded? Transporting rays to another surface sounds pretty similar to BSDF scattering, where we use importance sampling and divide the throughput by the probability density function (pdf). Basically rather than counting the number of valid samples, we increase the weight of the valid samples to compensate for the invalid ones.
Sadly I can't delve too much into implementation details (it's part of
an internship and I don't own the code), neither can I be too explicit
about the transportation work.
But in a more abstract manner, imagine a setting in which paths that
intersect an arbitrary object are allowed to exist only if the end of
such a path obeys a specific pattern (... -> diffuse -> light for
example). At the intersection with said object, during path
construction, I have no other option than to keep building the path
until I know for sure such a path is valid or not.
The difference with BSDF sampling is that in the latter we try to avoid
unlikely paths, yet when they still occur, they are valid i.e physically
correct. In my – I admit very specific – case, when we have constructed
a path that does not match the end constraint, it is not unlikely per
se, it simply shouldn't exist.
Again, sorry for not being able to explain much about the justification
for wanting to discard paths.
Lucas Escot.
Le 2017-06-23 20:33, Brecht Van Lommel a écrit :
> Storing the number of samples is usually not needed, and often impractical to combine with other sampling decisions taken along the path.
>
> It's difficult to tell without implementation details, what is the exact reason samples must be discarded? Transporting rays to another surface sounds pretty similar to BSDF scattering, where we use importance sampling and divide the throughput by the probability density function (pdf). Basically rather than counting the number of valid samples, we increase the weight of the valid samples to compensate for the invalid ones.
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Mohamed Sakr <3dsakr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> the easiest approach is: store the number of samples per pixel in an image, divide the final image by the samples image.
> I would avoid discarding samples as you will waste compute power, just find a way to reduce samples from the start (it needs a redesign to change how the kernel works), Lukas Stockner may have more idea about this as he tried to do an adaptive sampler before I guess.
>
> cheers,
> Mohamed Sakr
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Escot Lucas <lucas.escot at ens-lyon.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I originally asked the following question on the #blendercoders IRC but was advised to send it here.
>
> _Context_: I am currently working on a modified version of Cycles, in which the user have control over how light paths behave: they are able to transport/move rays hitting a specific surface to another one.
>
> Such a modification implies that during the path tracing process, SOME PATHS/SAMPLES MUST BE DISCARDED (to do that I simply don't add their contribution to the final image, in kernel_path.h/kernel_path_trace()).
>
> It means some pixels are downsampled since some of their samples might be discarded, however Cycles still divides for each pixel the total contribution by _the total number of samples_ which is assumed to be constant over the entire image.
>
> Hence my question: is there a simple way to make this last operation (averaging pixel samples) rely on a local number of samples, for each pixel, rather than a constant amount of samples for the entire image?
>
> I hope this is the right place to ask such a question, and that some of you will have an answer.
>
> Regards.
>
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